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Someone suggested a new game thread since it would be easier to refer to if it was all together on page one. I may have left a few things out but if it is in the sign-up thread, it is valid but statements here trump them.
I am starting this thread a little early (before roles are assigned) to allow you restudy the abilities which have some minor changes/clarifications in them before you make you selections/rankings.
If you have questions before the game starts (i will pm you when that happens), please send them to me only. Some people might think you were trying to influence the game ( choices of abilities by others ) before the game even starts, if you were make any comment on the abilities ahead of time.
List of players:
Basic game mechanics
Here are the superpowers/abilities:
Win Conditions
Superheros - Get rid of all the villains
Villains - Get rid of all the Superheros
You can used the terms superhero, village, townies, good guys, good vs villains, mafia, bad guys, bad or anything that is clear what you mean in your communications
Rules/guidelines/clarifications/other info
I am starting this thread a little early (before roles are assigned) to allow you restudy the abilities which have some minor changes/clarifications in them before you make you selections/rankings.
If you have questions before the game starts (i will pm you when that happens), please send them to me only. Some people might think you were trying to influence the game ( choices of abilities by others ) before the game even starts, if you were make any comment on the abilities ahead of time.
List of players:
Spoiler (click to show)
1. elysium5 - villain
2.2ofclubs - hero
3.Rockbert - hero
4.Ryomyr - hero
5. jkl3699
6. Abs
7. backdoorblast
8. Wompdompers
9.pygmyhippo277 - hero
10LandoCalriskian -hero
11maxrebo - hero
12Madagascarter - hero
13.Virtuosity98 - hero
14.AlexCheckMate - hero
15. Vicious
16.Bluegoetz - hero
17. Anaxagore -villain
18. astarrboy
19.Hoodlum - villain
20.MarshyMotty - hero
21.Clarkenfield - hero
22.Ready4war - hero
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5. jkl3699
6. Abs
7. backdoorblast
8. Wompdompers
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15. Vicious
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18. astarrboy
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Basic game mechanics
Spoiler (click to show)
In its simplest form, Mafia consists of two sides: the Mafia, and the Town. The Mafia's goal is to kill the innocents, while the Town's goal is to kill the Mafia.
At the beginning of the game, the Moderator will secretly send everyone their role. The Mafia will know each other, while everyone else will only know their own role.
The game has two 24 hour phases, the first of which is Day. During Day, the Town must choose someone to Lynch; they are trying to eliminate the Mafia, but the Mafia can lead them astray by casting suspicion elsewhere. Generally, players will vote for someone they think is Mafia (the Mafia will vote so that they seem to be doing this as well, and might even vote for each other to confuse the Town); when a player gets the most votes, they are lynched. Their role and remaining unused abilities will be revealed by the Moderator, and it becomes Night.
We will start with Day 0 - in which there can be no lynching or killing. This phase is simply to allow chats to start, gather information, and request abilities be activated for the following night phase..
At night, mafia is allowed a shot, so in effect, town gets a kill during the day, and mafia gets one at night. However, there are also other night killings and actions through the abilities that are not necessarily mafia.
In an effort to prevent as many players from being killed in the 1st couple of rounds, before they have even had a chance to play the game - - the villain's first 2 night shots will be held over until the 3rd night at which time all 3 shots will go through (should have the same long term effect on the game, just potentially let 2 players last a little longer). The villains will have to call their shots on night 1 and 2 and can not change their target even if he dies otherwise.
The game alternates between 24 hr Day and Night phases until either the Villains are eliminated or they have killed everyone else
Keep in mind that deception, deceit, and lying are not only allowed, but encouraged and expected. Be careful who you give information to, and don't hesitate to ask me for help or clarification! Do not carry over grudges from prior mafia games or risk games.
At the beginning of the game, the Moderator will secretly send everyone their role. The Mafia will know each other, while everyone else will only know their own role.
The game has two 24 hour phases, the first of which is Day. During Day, the Town must choose someone to Lynch; they are trying to eliminate the Mafia, but the Mafia can lead them astray by casting suspicion elsewhere. Generally, players will vote for someone they think is Mafia (the Mafia will vote so that they seem to be doing this as well, and might even vote for each other to confuse the Town); when a player gets the most votes, they are lynched. Their role and remaining unused abilities will be revealed by the Moderator, and it becomes Night.
We will start with Day 0 - in which there can be no lynching or killing. This phase is simply to allow chats to start, gather information, and request abilities be activated for the following night phase..
At night, mafia is allowed a shot, so in effect, town gets a kill during the day, and mafia gets one at night. However, there are also other night killings and actions through the abilities that are not necessarily mafia.
In an effort to prevent as many players from being killed in the 1st couple of rounds, before they have even had a chance to play the game - - the villain's first 2 night shots will be held over until the 3rd night at which time all 3 shots will go through (should have the same long term effect on the game, just potentially let 2 players last a little longer). The villains will have to call their shots on night 1 and 2 and can not change their target even if he dies otherwise.
The game alternates between 24 hr Day and Night phases until either the Villains are eliminated or they have killed everyone else
Keep in mind that deception, deceit, and lying are not only allowed, but encouraged and expected. Be careful who you give information to, and don't hesitate to ask me for help or clarification! Do not carry over grudges from prior mafia games or risk games.
Here are the superpowers/abilities:
Spoiler (click to show)
1. Super blast - 1 kill shot night or day
2. X-ray vision - can be used 2x - See through the deception of another player to learn of their role or special abilities anytime without them knowing it and get an immediate answer. Example: Spy on logman and give me his role. He will not be told he was spied on.
3. Mind reading - can be used 3x - immediately learn the remaining abilities of a player by probing their mind without them knowing it. Can be used anytime, all at once, or spread out over multiple phases.
4. Super sonic hearing - can be used 2x - Eavesdrop on 2 players and get a full report on what that person said in private message for 1 phase - can be the prior phase or the current one up to that point. who they are talking to will not be revealed and only their side of the conversations will be heard (clarification on this ability - names of other players mentioned will be blocked out )= not the other person's responses.
5. Super speed - can be used 1x/automatic - out run the entire lynch mob the 1st time it is needed = results in a no lynch. the group will know there was an ability used to avoid the lynching but will not know which one. since using it drains your strength, you will be able to outrun only half of the lynch mob the 2nd time it is needed (cuts the lynch votes on you in half) = results in whoever winds up with most lynch votes getting lynched. OR if you get shot at before you get lynched - automatically you outrun the bullet/blast 1x and see who shot at you but the shooter watches you speed away .
6. Flight - as needed (automatic) 1x fly away from a lynch mob plus later designate the night before 1 more lynch phase where you would like to fly around so that you will not be lynched. in both instances there would be no lynch if you are the top vote getter.
7.Charmer - you are so well liked that it is very hard to lynch you - you can have a total of minus 6 votes on yourself anytime you say use them before the deadline. OR you can choose a total of minus 4 votes to be used automatically as needed to prevent being lynched. (remember you do not know how many votes each person is casting)
8. Invincibility - automatically survive 1 lynching or kill attempt as needed OR survive 3 attempts if you call it the phase before
9. Shield - designate ahead of time 3 times to use your shield on anybody during the following phase to block 3 kills (shots or lynching). if a shot is blocked, the shooter will know the shield was used and target will know the identity of the shooter. If 2 shots are fired - only the 1st one is blocked.
10. Manipulator - exchange your remaining ability for any other ability at any time during the game - it can be used asap. this essentially gives you only 1 ability instead of 2.
11. - Influencer - 4 extra lynch votes throughout the game - can be used all at once or separately
12. - Invisibility - can be used 1x and must be requested ahead of time but it covers the next 3 consecutive phases (72 actual hours). during the day phase if you get the most lynch votes the mob will not be able to find you resulting in a no lynch. during the day or night phase if someone tries to shoot you they can not kill you since they can not see you - however if they would get a lucky shot in dark and wound you. while recovering from your wound, your high fever will make you delirious and you will start babbling - your shooter will overhear you state any remaining abilities you have and you will recognize your shooter. Also you will not be able to show yourself and vote at the lynch vote(s). - well, you can vote but it will not count.
13. Gift of Life - You can bring 1 person (not yourself) back to life and they keep any remaining abilities (they must agree to re-enter the game) and their role and abilities will already be known by all.
14. Time travel - you can go back in time and take any remaining abilities from any dead player OR you can reset the clock back 24 hours and redo the phase - all abilities used or votes cast return to their owners. - Just like it never happened.
15. Thief - you can steal lynch votes from a total of 2 players during any single day phase or 2 different day phases and redirect them during the same phase. There may be players using multiple votes in which case you would get all their votes. There may also be somebody else attempting to steal the same votes in which case the votes are divided equally.
2. X-ray vision - can be used 2x - See through the deception of another player to learn of their role or special abilities anytime without them knowing it and get an immediate answer. Example: Spy on logman and give me his role. He will not be told he was spied on.
3. Mind reading - can be used 3x - immediately learn the remaining abilities of a player by probing their mind without them knowing it. Can be used anytime, all at once, or spread out over multiple phases.
4. Super sonic hearing - can be used 2x - Eavesdrop on 2 players and get a full report on what that person said in private message for 1 phase - can be the prior phase or the current one up to that point. who they are talking to will not be revealed and only their side of the conversations will be heard (clarification on this ability - names of other players mentioned will be blocked out )= not the other person's responses.
5. Super speed - can be used 1x/automatic - out run the entire lynch mob the 1st time it is needed = results in a no lynch. the group will know there was an ability used to avoid the lynching but will not know which one. since using it drains your strength, you will be able to outrun only half of the lynch mob the 2nd time it is needed (cuts the lynch votes on you in half) = results in whoever winds up with most lynch votes getting lynched. OR if you get shot at before you get lynched - automatically you outrun the bullet/blast 1x and see who shot at you but the shooter watches you speed away .
6. Flight - as needed (automatic) 1x fly away from a lynch mob plus later designate the night before 1 more lynch phase where you would like to fly around so that you will not be lynched. in both instances there would be no lynch if you are the top vote getter.
7.Charmer - you are so well liked that it is very hard to lynch you - you can have a total of minus 6 votes on yourself anytime you say use them before the deadline. OR you can choose a total of minus 4 votes to be used automatically as needed to prevent being lynched. (remember you do not know how many votes each person is casting)
8. Invincibility - automatically survive 1 lynching or kill attempt as needed OR survive 3 attempts if you call it the phase before
9. Shield - designate ahead of time 3 times to use your shield on anybody during the following phase to block 3 kills (shots or lynching). if a shot is blocked, the shooter will know the shield was used and target will know the identity of the shooter. If 2 shots are fired - only the 1st one is blocked.
10. Manipulator - exchange your remaining ability for any other ability at any time during the game - it can be used asap. this essentially gives you only 1 ability instead of 2.
11. - Influencer - 4 extra lynch votes throughout the game - can be used all at once or separately
12. - Invisibility - can be used 1x and must be requested ahead of time but it covers the next 3 consecutive phases (72 actual hours). during the day phase if you get the most lynch votes the mob will not be able to find you resulting in a no lynch. during the day or night phase if someone tries to shoot you they can not kill you since they can not see you - however if they would get a lucky shot in dark and wound you. while recovering from your wound, your high fever will make you delirious and you will start babbling - your shooter will overhear you state any remaining abilities you have and you will recognize your shooter. Also you will not be able to show yourself and vote at the lynch vote(s). - well, you can vote but it will not count.
13. Gift of Life - You can bring 1 person (not yourself) back to life and they keep any remaining abilities (they must agree to re-enter the game) and their role and abilities will already be known by all.
14. Time travel - you can go back in time and take any remaining abilities from any dead player OR you can reset the clock back 24 hours and redo the phase - all abilities used or votes cast return to their owners. - Just like it never happened.
15. Thief - you can steal lynch votes from a total of 2 players during any single day phase or 2 different day phases and redirect them during the same phase. There may be players using multiple votes in which case you would get all their votes. There may also be somebody else attempting to steal the same votes in which case the votes are divided equally.
Win Conditions
Superheros - Get rid of all the villains
Villains - Get rid of all the Superheros
You can used the terms superhero, village, townies, good guys, good vs villains, mafia, bad guys, bad or anything that is clear what you mean in your communications
Rules/guidelines/clarifications/other info
Spoiler (click to show)
-All D12 rules and regulations must be followed. This means no profanity, spamming, or hacking.
-You must do your best to help your own faction win.
-Role PMs may be revealed in part or in full.
-Fake role PMs are also legal.
-All outside forms of communication about this game are completely disallowed. Use only the Private messages and public forum.
-Screenshots are banned. however you can copy and paste (since these can and will be altered).
-Do not post or private message after you die.
-Do not post in the game thread if you aren't in the game.
-Please do not edit posts.
-Please include the moderator in all PM conversations. If someone sends you a PM without including me, just include me in your response and all following conversations - it will likely be a new player who did not yet understand this requirement.
-Votes take this format (posted in game thread): Lynch USER. Not " I think i will go with xxxxxx." You must be clear in your intent.
- Day and night actions should be sent to the moderator by PM and be clear what action you want to take and on who
-No bribing the moderators.
- all day and night phase actions will take place simultaneously. That means that in 3 person shoot out = all 3 would die. and if somebody gets shot during the day phase = their vote will count
- request for information (spy) will be answered immediately/asap. information to be given after a kill is attempted will have to wait until end of phase when the shot is made (invisibility and others).
- you may or may not know the total number on each team
- if using x-ray vision, mind reading, or super sonic hearing the results of your request will be given as soon as i read the post and the info can be shared in PM or public forum immediately. bear in mind that I will likely be in bed from 10 pm to 5 am central time USA (4:00 - 11:00 D12 clock) and you will not likely get an answer during that time span.
- Also , time travel - you can Not set the clock back 24 hrs and affect 2 phases - what i mean is that you can undo the actions and results of the previous phase only. you must do this asap after the phase ends - i will allow 1 hour but please try to do in the first 10 minutes or so. After this i will share more details about the events of the phase and it can not be undone. initially i will give only the info of who died and how (i will have to study on this if it comes up so that none are disadvantaged outside the intent because of it)
-The moderator is always right. If there is an issue, respectfully bring it to their attention, but do not argue it.
-You must do your best to help your own faction win.
-Role PMs may be revealed in part or in full.
-Fake role PMs are also legal.
-All outside forms of communication about this game are completely disallowed. Use only the Private messages and public forum.
-Screenshots are banned. however you can copy and paste (since these can and will be altered).
-Do not post or private message after you die.
-Do not post in the game thread if you aren't in the game.
-Please do not edit posts.
-Please include the moderator in all PM conversations. If someone sends you a PM without including me, just include me in your response and all following conversations - it will likely be a new player who did not yet understand this requirement.
-Votes take this format (posted in game thread): Lynch USER. Not " I think i will go with xxxxxx." You must be clear in your intent.
- Day and night actions should be sent to the moderator by PM and be clear what action you want to take and on who
-No bribing the moderators.
- all day and night phase actions will take place simultaneously. That means that in 3 person shoot out = all 3 would die. and if somebody gets shot during the day phase = their vote will count
- request for information (spy) will be answered immediately/asap. information to be given after a kill is attempted will have to wait until end of phase when the shot is made (invisibility and others).
- you may or may not know the total number on each team
- if using x-ray vision, mind reading, or super sonic hearing the results of your request will be given as soon as i read the post and the info can be shared in PM or public forum immediately. bear in mind that I will likely be in bed from 10 pm to 5 am central time USA (4:00 - 11:00 D12 clock) and you will not likely get an answer during that time span.
- Also , time travel - you can Not set the clock back 24 hrs and affect 2 phases - what i mean is that you can undo the actions and results of the previous phase only. you must do this asap after the phase ends - i will allow 1 hour but please try to do in the first 10 minutes or so. After this i will share more details about the events of the phase and it can not be undone. initially i will give only the info of who died and how (i will have to study on this if it comes up so that none are disadvantaged outside the intent because of it)
-The moderator is always right. If there is an issue, respectfully bring it to their attention, but do not argue it.
Someone suggested a new game thread since it would be easier to refer to if it was all together on page one. I may have left a few things out but if it is in the sign-up thread, it is valid but statements here trump them.
I am starting this thread a little early (before roles are assigned) to allow you restudy the abilities which have some minor changes/clarifications in them before you make you selections/rankings.
If you have questions before the game starts (i will pm you when that happens), please send them to me only. Some people might think you were trying to influence the game ( choices of abilities by others ) before the game even starts, if you were make [u]any[/u] comment on the abilities ahead of time.
List of players:
[spoiler]
1. [s]elysium5[/s] - villain
2.[s]2ofclubs[/s] - hero
3. [s]Rockbert[/s] - hero
4. [s]Ryomyr[/s] - hero
5. jkl3699
6. Abs
7. backdoorblast
8. Wompdompers
9. [s]pygmyhippo277[/s] - hero
10 [s]LandoCalriskian[/s] -hero
11 [s]maxrebo[/s] - hero
12 [s]Madagascarter[/s] - hero
13.[s]Virtuosity98[/s] - hero
14. [s]AlexCheckMate[/s] - hero
15. Vicious
16. [s]Bluegoetz[/s] - hero
17.[s] Anaxagore[/s] -villain
18. astarrboy
19. [s]Hoodlum[/s] - villain
20. [s]MarshyMotty[/s] - hero
21. [s]Clarkenfield[/s] - hero
22. [s]Ready4war [/s] - hero
[/spoiler]
Basic game mechanics
[spoiler]
In its simplest form, Mafia consists of two sides: the Mafia, and the Town. The Mafia's goal is to kill the innocents, while the Town's goal is to kill the Mafia.
At the beginning of the game, the Moderator will secretly send everyone their role. The Mafia will know each other, while everyone else will only know their own role.
The game has two 24 hour phases, the first of which is Day. During Day, the Town must choose someone to Lynch; they are trying to eliminate the Mafia, but the Mafia can lead them astray by casting suspicion elsewhere. Generally, players will vote for someone they think is Mafia (the Mafia will vote so that they seem to be doing this as well, and might even vote for each other to confuse the Town); when a player gets the [b]most[/b] votes, they are lynched. Their role and remaining unused abilities will be revealed by the Moderator, and it becomes Night.
We will start with Day 0 - in which there can be no lynching or killing. This phase is simply to allow chats to start, gather information, and request abilities be activated for the following night phase..
At night, mafia is allowed a shot, so in effect, town gets a kill during the day, and mafia gets one at night. However, there are also other night killings and actions through the abilities that are not necessarily mafia.
In an effort to prevent as many players from being killed in the 1st couple of rounds, before they have even had a chance to play the game - - the villain's first 2 night shots will be held over until the 3rd night at which time all 3 shots will go through (should have the same long term effect on the game, just potentially let 2 players last a little longer). The villains will have to call their shots on night 1 and 2 and can not change their target even if he dies otherwise.
The game alternates between 24 hr Day and Night phases until either the Villains are eliminated or they have killed everyone else
Keep in mind that deception, deceit, and lying are not only allowed, but encouraged and expected. Be careful who you give information to, and don't hesitate to ask me for help or clarification! Do not carry over grudges from prior mafia games or risk games.[/spoiler]
Here are the superpowers/abilities:
[spoiler]
1. Super blast - 1 kill shot night or day
2. X-ray vision - can be used 2x - See through the deception of another player to learn of their role or special abilities anytime without them knowing it and get an immediate answer. Example: Spy on logman and give me his role. He will not be told he was spied on.
3. Mind reading - can be used 3x - immediately learn the remaining abilities of a player by probing their mind without them knowing it. Can be used anytime, all at once, or spread out over multiple phases.
4. Super sonic hearing - can be used 2x - Eavesdrop on 2 players and get a full report on what that person said in private message for 1 phase - can be the prior phase or the current one up to that point. who they are talking to will not be revealed and only their side of the conversations will be heard ([b]clarification on this ability[/b] - names of other players mentioned will be blocked out )= not the other person's responses.
5. Super speed - can be used 1x/automatic - out run the entire lynch mob the 1st time it is needed = results in a no lynch. the group will know there was an ability used to avoid the lynching but will not know which one. since using it drains your strength, you will be able to outrun only half of the lynch mob the 2nd time it is needed (cuts the lynch votes on you in half) = results in whoever winds up with most lynch votes getting lynched. OR if you get shot at before you get lynched - automatically you outrun the bullet/blast 1x and see who shot at you but the shooter watches you speed away .
6. Flight - as needed (automatic) 1x fly away from a lynch mob plus later designate the night before 1 more lynch phase where you would like to fly around so that you will not be lynched. in both instances there would be no lynch if you are the top vote getter.
7.Charmer - you are so well liked that it is very hard to lynch you - you can have a total of minus 6 votes on yourself anytime you say use them before the deadline. OR you can choose a total of minus 4 votes to be used automatically as needed to prevent being lynched. (remember you do not know how many votes each person is casting)
8. Invincibility - automatically survive 1 lynching or kill attempt as needed OR survive 3 attempts if you call it the phase before
9. Shield - designate ahead of time 3 times to use your shield on anybody during the following phase to block 3 kills (shots or lynching). if a shot is blocked, the shooter will know the shield was used and target will know the identity of the shooter. If 2 shots are fired - only the 1st one is blocked.
10. Manipulator - exchange your remaining ability for any other ability at any time during the game - it can be used asap. this essentially gives you only 1 ability instead of 2.
11. - Influencer - 4 extra lynch votes throughout the game - can be used all at once or separately
12. - Invisibility - can be used 1x and must be requested ahead of time but it covers the next 3 consecutive phases (72 actual hours). during the day phase if you get the most lynch votes the mob will not be able to find you resulting in a no lynch. during the day or night phase if someone tries to shoot you they can not kill you since they can not see you - however if they would get a lucky shot in dark and wound you. while recovering from your wound, your high fever will make you delirious and you will start babbling - your shooter will overhear you state any remaining abilities you have and you will recognize your shooter. Also you will not be able to show yourself and vote at the lynch vote(s). - well, you can vote but it will not count.
13. Gift of Life - You can bring 1 person (not yourself) back to life and they keep any remaining abilities (they must agree to re-enter the game) and their role and abilities will already be known by all.
14. Time travel - you can go back in time and take any remaining abilities from any dead player OR you can reset the clock back 24 hours and redo the phase - all abilities used or votes cast return to their owners. - Just like it never happened.
15. Thief - you can steal lynch votes from a total of 2 players during any single day phase or 2 different day phases and redirect them during the same phase. There may be players using multiple votes in which case you would get all their votes. There may also be somebody else attempting to steal the same votes in which case the votes are divided equally.[/spoiler]
Win Conditions
Superheros - Get rid of all the villains
Villains - Get rid of all the Superheros
You can used the terms superhero, village, townies, good guys, good vs villains, mafia, bad guys, bad or anything that is clear what you mean in your communications
Rules/guidelines/clarifications/other info
[spoiler]
-All D12 rules and regulations must be followed. This means no profanity, spamming, or hacking.
-You must do your best to help your own faction win.
-Role PMs may be revealed in part or in full.
-Fake role PMs are also legal.
-All outside forms of communication about this game are completely disallowed. Use only the Private messages and public forum.
-Screenshots are banned. however you can copy and paste (since these can and will be altered).
-Do not post or private message after you die.
-Do not post in the game thread if you aren't in the game.
-Please do not edit posts.
-Please include the moderator in all PM conversations. If someone sends you a PM without including me, just include me in your response and all following conversations - it will likely be a new player who did not yet understand this requirement.
-Votes take this format (posted in game thread): Lynch USER. Not " I think i will go with xxxxxx." You must be clear in your intent.
- Day and night actions should be sent to the moderator by PM and be clear what action you want to take and on who
-No bribing the moderators.
- all day and night phase actions will take place simultaneously. That means that in 3 person shoot out = all 3 would die. and if somebody gets shot during the day phase = their vote will count
- request for information (spy) will be answered immediately/asap. information to be given after a kill is attempted will have to wait until end of phase when the shot is made (invisibility and others).
- you may or may not know the total number on each team
- if using x-ray vision, mind reading, or super sonic hearing the results of your request will be given as soon as i read the post and the info can be shared in PM or public forum immediately. bear in mind that I will likely be in bed from 10 pm to 5 am central time USA (4:00 - 11:00 D12 clock) and you will not likely get an answer during that time span.
- Also , time travel - you can Not set the clock back 24 hrs and affect 2 phases - what i mean is that you can undo the actions and results of the previous phase only. you must do this asap after the phase ends - i will allow 1 hour but please try to do in the first 10 minutes or so. After this i will share more details about the events of the phase and it can not be undone. initially i will give only the info of who died and how (i will have to study on this if it comes up so that none are disadvantaged outside the intent because of it)
-The moderator is always right. If there is an issue, respectfully bring it to their attention, but do not argue it.[/spoiler]
Live long and prosper