Star Trek mafia

Hooboy escaped the second lynch, the first killing Clubs instead of Mada. Both of them were lynched with secret, invisible or cloaked votes.

I am going with Hooboy again. It is always fishy when players can escape being voted by a majority.

[b][size=18px]I am taking over the ship.[/size][/b] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx0xOgFDXFg The captains log can now be viewed by everyone. May it contibute to a Starfleet victory! [quote]Message: role assignment From: Tennesseelogman To: elysium5[/quote] [spoiler][b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 12:56[/size] role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 18:11[/size] Thanks for hosting! I ordered my questions to make them easier to Yes/No answer as I'm sure you are busy reading and writing already;) [b][u]Questions:[/u][/b] 1. [b]Must I purchase[/b] an ability? 2. If [b]#1 is [size=16px]Yes[/size] then; N/A.[/b] [b][u][i]If #1 is [size=16px]No[/size] then;[/i][/u][/b] If I don't purchase an ability or use an innate one for 3 days, I get 3 more bars for a total of 6? 3. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and do I also have the [b]original purchase banked?[/b] 4. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and does my[b][b] innate ability get banked[/b][/b](meaning I can now double up on my innate ability) [b]as well?[/b] 5. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to [b]banking purchased votes?[/b] 6. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to [b]activating a force field[/b] in any manner[b]*[/b] of the outlined options [b]but it was never actually needed?[/b] [b]*[/b]When activating the [i]automatically protect you the first time it is needed[/i] force field option, does it stay active indefinitely until needed/used or is there a time limit of any kind? [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 18:50[/size] [quote]Questions: 1. Must I purchase an ability? 2. If #1 is Yes then; N/A. If #1 is No then; If I don't purchase an ability or use an innate one for 3 days, I get 3 more bars for a total of 6? 3. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and do I also have the original purchase banked? 4. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and does my innate ability get banked(meaning I can now double up on my innate ability) as well? 5. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to banking purchased votes? 6. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to activating a force field in any manner* of the outlined options but it was never actually needed? *When activating the automatically protect you the first time it is needed force field option, does it stay active indefinitely until needed/used or is there a time limit of any kind? [/quote] 1 1st money can not be banked - so yes if you want one 2 n/a 3 the 2nd set if earned can be banked for later use 4 no banking of innate abilities - they are time specific 5 votes can be banked and used anytime 6 auto force field is used 1st time it is needed - if you choose 4 self called = you can use them anytime for the current phase/day ^ no time limit but you will have to decide if you want it to block all attacks or just those that would kill you. in other words - do you want it to auto block a mind probe, stun attempt, extra vote block, or force field against you. Also the auto force field will not count as using your ability in regards to earning an extra ability by not using an ability unless it is activated per your instructions. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 05:13[/size] I will purchase: [b]#D Take over the Ship[/b] [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 10:35[/size] acknowledged - 6 extra votes [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 22:01[/size] Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Bajoran Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 22:11[/size] Splendid. Now where did I put those [i]Tears of the Prophets[/i]? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:42[/size] I don't want to accidentally miss it so for now I will [b]#Lynch Abs[/b] To be clear, [b]I am NOT using my extra votes[/b] [i]at this time[/i]. Get it?[i] At this time?[/i] Because of [i]the time loop?[/i] Ha, I slay me :roll: [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:49[/size] I would like to: [b]#Unlynch Abs[/b] and change it to [b]#No Lynch[/b] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:30[/size] Do you want me to create a character name for you for storyline purposes or is this just a personal option to do for fun? [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:36[/size] just a personal option to do for fun i will not use any name you assign yourself [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:43[/size] Ok. I was torn between Ensign Ro and Major Kira but I guess a name doesn't really matter in the end. [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:49[/size] name yourself whatever you want - i will only give out faction unless there is a mind meld - and even then not names. you could be jabba the hut [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:02[/size] Just thought you might have wanted us to choose names for a narrative of your creation. Those 2 just happened to be my 2 favorite Bajorans. [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 09:43[/size] just a thought - next time you start a new chat group w several in it - would you consider including the 2 new people who are observing? people hear about the mafia game and how much time it takes but have never experienced it until it's too late. it would give them a better sense of how things sometimes go. i want to recruit new players but i don't want them to get overwhelmed the first time they play and drop out due to the shock of it = i would rather them not join at all. just a thought. [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 13:41[/size] thanks for the subtle advise on moderator interference - i agree on this game :) [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:37[/size] To be clear, [b]I am NOT using my extra votes[/b] [b]#Lynch Madagascarter[/b] [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 18:06[/size] got it [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 13:22[/size] I won't be online again until after the vote so I'm putting it in now: To be clear, [b]I am NOT using my extra votes[/b] [b]#Lynch Madagascarter [/b] [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 19:49[/size] got it [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 22:11[/size] i think you did not use your ability yet and you earned another - let me know if that is incorrect. thanks for helping extend the game for some players - so pick another ability [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 23:54[/size] That is correct, I did not use my votes/ability yet. I also just read the part about including the observers. I didn't even think to do that. I will if I open up any more chats. Do you want me to copy and paste all of mine into a big one for them to be able to go over? [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 00:06[/size] no need [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 00:24[/size] I think at this point it is best if I; [b]#Buy a Phaser[/b] [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 00:26[/size] do you want it set on kill one time or stun 3 times? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 00:27[/size] Oh, Imma gonna kill someone for sure B| [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 02:43[/size] i look forward to it [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 02:51[/size] My finger is itchy and I don't want to wait much longer... [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 03:16[/size] Is using my shot time sensitive? Or is it changeable before the deadline? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 04:34[/size] Well, I want to get this in before I sign off just in case; [b]#Set Phaser to Kill and shoot Bluegoetz right in the face![/b] also [b]#Lynch hooboy11[/b] To be clear, [b]I am NOT using my extra votes for this vote on hooboy11[/b] I may yet use them but not sure what/when at the moment. Still thinking... [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 10:40[/size] it is changeable got shoot blue in the face lynch hooboy got it [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 22:08[/size] as you can see, your kill shot on blue went thru and did some serious damage [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]11 Sep 2022, 00:03[/size] That was hilarious, Tenn! [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]11 Sep 2022, 02:58[/size] I'm sorry for not including the 'observers' in the chats. I still keep forgetting. Maybe next time we can insist on including the observers just like a co-mod in any future games for the purpose of both learning and teaching. Make it a requirement for PM's. [hr][/spoiler] [quote]From: elysium5 To: ThickTalon, Tennesseelogman[/quote] [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 06:23[/size] Are you trying to send a message in this post: https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3788/star-trek-mafia/post/83546#post-83546 ? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 07:02[/size] To anyone who will listen [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:47[/size] You are Starfleet, then? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:53[/size] I am but everyone is claiming Starfleet. I guess due to noone knowing what faction is town and it being the safe answer. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:05[/size] I'll tell you what. I hate proposals and deals and so on. I like facts but at the same time, quite often a lucky guess or connection can be the key to winning a game with this many players. I agree everyone is going to claim Starfleet. I am going to take a huge risk here but I am at a clear disadvantage to start this game and I just have a hunch you are actually Starfleet so I am going to gamble my own game right here and now to try and form an alliance off of a hunch that will either ruin me right away or pay off by getting a head start. I am Starfleet. Would you like to exchange Role PM's? I'll go first if you want to take the chance with me. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:05[/size] Ok. Let's do it. I am Starfleet, human. Can we copy and past roles? I am lazy to go back and look....haha [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:10[/size] Yes we can copy and paste roles. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:13[/size] Ready? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:14[/size] How about I go all in and give you my whole conversation thus far with Tenn. Way out on A limb here but at least I will have 3 days of Star Trek talk in the main. Forum.....and we always have the 20 words to out each other if one is lying [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:15[/size] Sure. I will reciprocate. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:15[/size] [spoiler]Message: role assignment From: Tennesseelogman To: ThickTalon Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:51 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 00:13 the mafia game is about to start - can you go ahead and pick your ability? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:05 I would like to inspect Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:07 acknowledged - do you want 2 investigations of faction or 1 mind meld? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:13 Tough one.....I think I will go with the 2 investigations. Temporal Investigations Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:15 done ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:25 Sorry for my tardiness. Been a busy Labor Day weekend. Thanks for reminding me Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:04 At this time #NO LYNCH ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 Inspect E5 ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 can I use both of my inspections in one day phase or do i have to wait? Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:15 vote and inspection request noted only 1 inspection per day from the entire group - if there is more than 1 inspection request = a random drawing will be held to see who's request is granted and the others will have to wait until a later day ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:18 thank you. I can be referred to hence forth as Kirok. in the case you need to reference me:P Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:02 your attempt to probe the mind of ely failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:03 Kirok understands reluctantly[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:16[/size] [spoiler][b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 12:56[/size] role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 18:11[/size] Thanks for hosting! I ordered my questions to make them easier to Yes/No answer as I'm sure you are busy reading and writing already;) [b][u]Questions:[/u][/b] 1. [b]Must I purchase[/b] an ability? 2. If [b]#1 is [size=16px]Yes[/size] then; N/A.[/b] [b][u][i]If #1 is [size=16px]No[/size] then;[/i][/u][/b] If I don't purchase an ability or use an innate one for 3 days, I get 3 more bars for a total of 6? 3. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and do I also have the [b]original purchase banked?[/b] 4. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and does my[b][b] innate ability get banked[/b][/b](meaning I can now double up on my innate ability) [b]as well?[/b] 5. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to [b]banking purchased votes?[/b] 6. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to [b]activating a force field[/b] in any manner[b]*[/b] of the outlined options [b]but it was never actually needed?[/b] [b]*[/b]When activating the [i]automatically protect you the first time it is needed[/i] force field option, does it stay active indefinitely until needed/used or is there a time limit of any kind? [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 18:50[/size] [quote]Questions: 1. Must I purchase an ability? 2. If #1 is Yes then; N/A. If #1 is No then; If I don't purchase an ability or use an innate one for 3 days, I get 3 more bars for a total of 6? 3. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and do I also have the original purchase banked? 4. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and does my innate ability get banked(meaning I can now double up on my innate ability) as well? 5. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to banking purchased votes? 6. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to activating a force field in any manner* of the outlined options but it was never actually needed? *When activating the automatically protect you the first time it is needed force field option, does it stay active indefinitely until needed/used or is there a time limit of any kind? [/quote] 1 1st money can not be banked - so yes if you want one 2 n/a 3 the 2nd set if earned can be banked for later use 4 no banking of innate abilities - they are time specific 5 votes can be banked and used anytime 6 auto force field is used 1st time it is needed - if you choose 4 self called = you can use them anytime for the current phase/day ^ no time limit but you will have to decide if you want it to block all attacks or just those that would kill you. in other words - do you want it to auto block a mind probe, stun attempt, extra vote block, or force field against you. Also the auto force field will not count as using your ability in regards to earning an extra ability by not using an ability unless it is activated per your instructions. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 05:13[/size] I will purchase: [b]#D Take over the Ship[/b] [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 10:35[/size] acknowledged - 6 extra votes [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 22:01[/size] Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Bajoran Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 22:11[/size] Splendid. Now where did I put those [i]Tears of the Prophets[/i]? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:42[/size] I don't want to accidentally miss it so for now I will [b]#Lynch Abs[/b] To be clear, [b]I am NOT using my extra votes[/b] [i]at this time[/i]. Get it?[i] At this time?[/i] Because of [i]the time loop?[/i] Ha, I slay me :roll: [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:49[/size] I would like to: [b]#Unlynch Abs[/b] and change it to [b]#No Lynch[/b] [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:18[/size] Have you been in communication with anyone else? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:20[/size] Yes. Clubs and Abs, both claim Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:21[/size] Guess I lucked out on my inspection of you. LOL. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:23[/size] And Rock as well. But only an introduction....nothing more which is odd [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:24[/size] You? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:24[/size] I put out the same feeler/proposal to Rcomer727 but they haven't been online yet to respond. I have also been in extensive contact with both Abs and 2ofclubs. Do you want to share those communications as well? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:25[/size] I should note that haven't made contact with anyone else either on the receiving end or in sending out communications.. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:29[/size] elysium5 said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:24 I put out the same feeler/proposal to Rcomer727 but they haven't been online yet to respond. I have also been in extensive contact with both Abs and 2ofclubs. [b]Do you want to share those communications as well?[/b] And by this I should clarify I mean we both share with each other. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:38[/size] Sorry I was just reading through my conversation with 2 of C. I made a "gentleman's agreement to not out him to others. But he continued to claim Starfleet so I guess I am not going against anything. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:42[/size] Yes, Abs told me he can't say certain things about you either as you have some sort of agreement but if you are both Starfleet can you both not also agree to break your deal in the interests of not holding us back? He says he regrets the agreement because he wants to share info as well. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:49[/size] Yeah just rered Abs. He does say "just between you and I..." but we only gave each other 3 options of what we might be. Same thing he said In the main forum. If he is good with it I will play ball [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:53[/size] Both Abs and 2ofC used "Starfleet/Federation" in thier communication to me. So there may be something to that as Tenn o ly used "Starfleet" to us. "Starfleet/Federation" was used in the first post...hmm [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:57[/size] They both did the same with me but they claimed it was to vet me to see if I knew the word Federation was not supposed to be there. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:00[/size] 2 of C his copy and Paste was waaaaay of. And asked me for 2 changes when I questioned him he said he did it to make sure. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:00[/size] I didn't question Abs [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:03[/size] [Message: Abs / Talon Trek kids From: ThickTalon To: Tennesseelogman, Abs ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 14:02 Hello Abs. I am not going to sugar coat anything now, but even if we are not on the same side now we may be able to be on the same side in the future. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:06 hmmm very intersting, I dont have this kind of power! I am very much Vanilla and a Human and you can probably guess which faction that puts me in... ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:12 Good afternoon, Evening for you, Abs. I could guess a faction but being human doesn't exclude you or me from any particular faction, my only hope is to find my kind and continue exploration. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:19 Yes I think Human and Klingon etc can also be same faction? We just need to find out what factions there are ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:25 I agree.....but I am not sure that people are willing to give out accurate information as the amount of factions is still unclear. I have other chats open an most all are claiming Human, like that is the end all be all of "goodness". I am human as well, but does that make my faction the good one? If Tenn stuck to Star Trek cannon........then yes it does. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:26 see my forum post, I think its a great idea to at least narrow it down Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:26 lets start with this exercise between you and I. I am one of xxxxxxxxxx Which of this are you and are you not? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:34 I am one of Starfleet, Vulcan, Romulan Empire and I am NOT the Dominion or Cardassian Union Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:03 hmm interesting! So it seems that the other 2 could already be non factions? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:48 Seems that the easy answer is human Starfleet.] [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:04[/size] I took out what Abs gave up to me, which again is really no secret but in the effort of trust I took his out. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:05[/size] ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 01:00 2 of C his copy and Paste was waaaaay of. And asked me for 2 changes when I questioned him he said he did it to make sure. Same with me for clubs. That included both the extra word Federation in the first line and mixing up words and their order in the second line. He presented it as a test for me to tell him what was wrong with it so he could verify it against his own. Abs just told me he was seeing what clubs would tell him in his findings about my responses to his 'test.' [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:07[/size] Well..... what do you think. Both are fooling? 2ofC started off our conversation with..."I owe you...." [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:11[/size] After rereading 2 of C again...I gave up alot, without giving 100%hard claim [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:12[/size] He wouldn't give me his species or ability [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:12[/size] [quote]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 01:07 Well..... [b]what do you think. Both are fooling?[/b] 2ofC started off our conversation with..."I owe you...."[/quote] I don't know. clubs seems to think you are suspicious but I don't know why. Both clubs and Abs appear to be Starfleet like they are claiming according to our messages and I don't see how another faction could find each other so fast, before the first deadline to boot, and concoct a plan to work together to try and fool the both of us separately. That would prove to be some next level trickery by both if that were the case. Maybe one of them but it's hard to think it would be both of them already working together in this fashion. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:13[/size] [quote]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 01:11 After rereading 2 of C again...[b]I gave up alot,[/b] without giving 100%hard claim[/quote] Did you give it up first or by answering his 'test' questions? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:20[/size] No...more like this [spoiler]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:08 Yes I used the SF vs Federation as part of my test on confirming real Starfleet. I don't think it's a good idea to give up SF just like I can't give you up. I am not attacking you. I alsoget the sense you can't attack. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:53 Attack was not my request for ability. My ability if shared with others, only one can be performed per phase, so it will be random. If others have my ability 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 19:02 Don't waste your looking into role on me. Thats my 1st Olive branch.[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:23[/size] He probably doesn't trust me because I gave a bunch of random crap. And told him I didn't think we were the same faction and that it was ok because we could still work together. He didn't flinch so either he is that good or he is Starfleet [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:27[/size] [quote]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 01:23 He probably doesn't trust me because I gave a bunch of random crap. And told him I didn't think we were the same faction and that it was ok because we could still work together. He didn't flinch so either he is that good or he is Starfleet[/quote] To be completely honest, this is also what I think. He got hung up on me as suspicious at first also because I did not notice the added word Federation at first as minutes left before the deadline we wer trying to untangle the issues with the second line. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:35[/size] You want to try to bring in anyone else or see how it plays out for a day? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:40[/size] [quote]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 01:35 You want to try to bring in anyone else or see how it plays out for a day?[/quote] What I'd like is to air out ALL of our laundry so the 4 of us could start a really early really strong position for Starfleet. If we do and one of them is in act a mole I don't think they would be able to hide it from the rest of us for long. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:45[/size] Well you know I am game. Let's do it. I can reach out to one of them or both and you can do the same to gage interest or reservations [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:47[/size] Well, I have no such agreements with anyone so I'll copy and paste all of my chats right now. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:49[/size] From: elysium5 To: Tennesseelogman, Rcomer727 [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:27[/size] https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3788/star-trek-mafia/post/83566#post-83566 I feel ya. You really Starfleet? [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:50[/size] Hmmmmm. Prove yourself! [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:55[/size] You are the one who just claimed Starfleet. All I asked if you really are Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:58[/size] Oh haha, true true. I am indeed. What are you? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:06[/size] I am also Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:26[/size] I just made this offer to another player who I think is Starfleet and I believe you are as well: [quote]elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:05 I'll tell you what. I hate proposals and deals and so on. I like facts but at the same time, quite often a lucky guess or connection can be the key to winning a game with this many players. [b]I agree everyone is going to claim Starfleet.[/b] I am going to take a huge risk here but I am at a clear disadvantage to start this game and I just have a hunch you are actually Starfleet so I am going to gamble my own game right here and now to try and form an alliance off of a hunch that will either ruin me right away or pay off by getting a head start. I am Starfleet. Would you like to exchange Role PM's? I'll go first if you want to take the chance with me.[/quote] The part I bolded is in response to the other player making this statement in our chat: [quote]I am but everyone is claiming Starfleet. I guess due to noone knowing what faction is town and it being the safe answer.[/quote] The player has not responded to me yet. I have the same gut feeling about you. How do you feel about the same offer? [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:51[/size] From: Abs To: elysium5, Tennesseelogman [spoiler][b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] Hi Ely, so I am about to investigate you, should I not bother and you Can give me some info or shall I use it anyway? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I am starfleet and confirmed Human and already Part of a group of other confirmed town, I have heard you claim Starfleet but I want to hear it from you. If you don’t want to then I can investigate you anyway but seems a waste so either way I will know and if You truly are then you should tell me so I can use it on a better target [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:44[/size] I have 15 min to tell Ten to not use it [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:45[/size] If you are Starfleet, please do investigate me. We have to start somewhere. I put my vote on you. I guess I should take it off if you are indeed Starfleet. What better target? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] I am 100% starfleet and I just took my vote off you, I have a powerful ability though so don’t want to waste it in you if you genuinely are Starfleet [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:40 Ok so can I investigate Elysium please I also want to change my lynch vote from Ely to #nolynch [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:50[/size] Ok. [quote]elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:49 I would like to: #Unlynch Abs and change it to #No Lynch[/quote] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:52[/size] 2of clubs is messaging me at the same time as you and he just sent me something that doesn't jive with my own role PM. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:54[/size] Yes he did this to me and i Went back and told Him this isn’t the same and he Then came back and told Me what is different which was correct, I am inclined to think he is Starfleet He told me in our starfleet group we have created he was sending it to you I think he is one of the good guys this game [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] To what end? To try and catch me up or to cover his tracks? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:01[/size] No to try and verify If you are indeed a starfleet I assume [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:02[/size] From clubs 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:57 I gave Ely that the time stamp was wrong and asked him what els was wrong with Role PM. He came back with the 1st part is the same as his but 2nd is different. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:02[/size] Well, he could also be fishing to try and get someone to tell him exactly what a Starfleet Role PM is supposed to look like. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:03[/size] And clearly the timestamp was wrong. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:03[/size] I decided to investigate you anyway as your right, if I can then see you are indeed starfleet then I will know for sure. I have also told other confirmed Starfleeters I investigated you so if I end up dead, so will you [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:04[/size] Ok, well I am Starfleet so you won't end up dead because of me! [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] Let me know how you want to move forward once your investigation comes back. How will I be able to verify you? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:23[/size] I’m not sure tbh, but why would I investigate you if I was mafia and thought you were!? I’m clearly herding town in this game which is what we have to do. We will find a way to prove it, no issues [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:26[/size] Well it didn’t work anyway haha! I don’t know what the hell happened here! Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:26[/size] I have been talking to you and 2of clubs literally back and forth and clearly you both are exchanging notes on our discussion. You seem to be playing it straight forward but 2ofclubs, not so much. I assume you got the verification you need though? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:27[/size] Seriously? [quote]Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use.[/quote] grrr... [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:30[/size] Well no I didn’t get anything hence the message above! Why was my inspection blocked!? What a useless ability haha! Clubs is still a little on my suspicious list, I am telling him I am applying pressure on you and seeing How he reacts and so Far he seems to think you are playing starfleet but are not and i Don’t know why. He said a certain part of his copy and paste Of his role PM that I called out on, you have now done which is making his suspicious If you can tell me now which part this is, I can 100% believe you. Take a look at your role PM, on the first line what word has Clubs added or removed in his message that isn’t in your original PM? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:31[/size] You have not* done, not meant to say now [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:31[/size] [quote]Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:30 Well no I didn’t get anything hence the message above! Why was my inspection blocked!? What a useless ability haha![/quote] I posted that at the same time you were sending that non-verification message to me. I didn't see it until after I hit send with my question about verification. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:33[/size] Ten just told me it didn’t go through as he didn’t want a blitz of investigations in day 1 and wants everyone to play the “cop” role at least once to share the fun. Therefore only 1 investigation can go through per day [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:34[/size] I looked again and I see it now. He also added in the word Federation in the first sentence. I hate sifting through clubs babble. I will send you all of my PM with him. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:35[/size] Here you go. Nothing changed or edited: [spoiler][b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] The talk is you are claiming Starfleet. What's wrong with the following? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:55 Xxxxxxx 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made at least 3 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. I have 1 other Starfleet and 1 non Starfleet claim Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 21:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I'm Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Is this the same PM you got from Ten except for time stamp? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:51[/size] The first part yes but not the second. Hmmm... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] I know 2nd part is not. What's wrong with the 2nd part. I know I am starfleet and have hard claimed it it Thread & PMs. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:57[/size] We will start with the XXX's being on the wrong side of the win condition. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:58[/size] Correct and.......?? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:59[/size] the wording is backward [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:05[/size] Yes I basically reversed the win clause and put in xxxx. One more answer needed to clear you as starfleet. Others have passed this with ease. Your reluctance is suspicious. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:06[/size] What test? Maybe I am misunderstanding what specifically it is you are looking for me to verify. Your fishing without providing me anything is suspicious and I have lied about nothing. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:10[/size] Your win condition is XXXXXXX Is that want you want to know? Now you have the Starfleet role PM. Makes you a good spy, doesn't it? [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] I gave you the Start Fleet Frederation role with a few changes from Tens PM becuase you claim SF. You Re reluctant to correct or state what was changed. You could assume the reversing of win clause based on your non SF PM from ten. I am not fishing. I have my info. I am verifying your claim. I will waste an inspect to be 100% sure but prefer not to. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:16[/size] Abs said he was going to inspect me but is now not online... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:18[/size] I am not a spy and 75% sure you are not Star Fleet Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:19[/size] Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:21[/size] I told you that about Abs because Abs said the 2 of you were discussing my claim. I am 100 percent Starfleet. Do you think Abs is Starfleet like he claims he is? If Abs is, and actually did inspect me like he said he would then that should verify me. [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:38[/size] Full disclosure. I just added this to the clubs message: [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:37[/size] Now I see what you are referring to. Drop the word Federation. [hr][/spoiler] [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:53[/size] From: 2ofclubs To: elysium5, Tennesseelogman [spoiler][b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] The talk is you are claiming Starfleet. What's wrong with the following? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:55 Xxxxxxx 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made at least 3 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. I have 1 other Starfleet and 1 non Starfleet claim Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 21:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I'm Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Is this the same PM you got from Ten except for time stamp? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:51[/size] The first part yes but not the second. Hmmm... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] I know 2nd part is not. What's wrong with the 2nd part. I know I am starfleet and have hard claimed it it Thread & PMs. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:57[/size] We will start with the XXX's being on the wrong side of the win condition. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:58[/size] Correct and.......?? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:59[/size] the wording is backward [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:05[/size] Yes I basically reversed the win clause and put in xxxx. One more answer needed to clear you as starfleet. Others have passed this with ease. Your reluctance is suspicious. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:06[/size] What test? Maybe I am misunderstanding what specifically it is you are looking for me to verify. Your fishing without providing me anything is suspicious and I have lied about nothing. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:10[/size] Your win condition is XXXXXXX Is that want you want to know? Now you have the Starfleet role PM. Makes you a good spy, doesn't it? [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] I gave you the Start Fleet Frederation role with a few changes from Tens PM becuase you claim SF. You Re reluctant to correct or state what was changed. You could assume the reversing of win clause based on your non SF PM from ten. I am not fishing. I have my info. I am verifying your claim. I will waste an inspect to be 100% sure but prefer not to. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:16[/size] Abs said he was going to inspect me but is now not online... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:18[/size] I am not a spy and 75% sure you are not Star Fleet Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:19[/size] Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:21[/size] I told you that about Abs because Abs said the 2 of you were discussing my claim. I am 100 percent Starfleet. Do you think Abs is Starfleet like he claims he is? If Abs is, and actually did inspect me like he said he would then that should verify me. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:37[/size] Now I see what you are referring to. Drop the word Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:42[/size] Ok he did inspect you but something went wrong so you weren't verified. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:44[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:42 Ok he did inspect you but something went wrong so you weren't verified.[/quote] That's what Abs told me as well. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:48[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:19 Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting[/quote] You think I was trying to deflect you from inspecting me? Nope. I am hoping someone does and that said someone is Starfleet so we can get this game going our way sooner rather than later. I also didn't realize you also can inspect? Is that what you were implying? I am not fishing and I am not deflecting and everything I have said is the absolute truth. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:51[/size] That was a lot of work. How about I tell you I can't kill and looking for a SF with a phaser. What do you have a Thick Ryo and Blue. Abs came right back with the role differences and challenged me to. So pretty sure Abs is Starfleet. The others are being quarantined (mole protection). [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:58[/size] I can not inspect. I believe we have 4 verified Starfleets, 1 unverified and 1 not Starfleet. I have to focus on work. Work it out with Abs on we proceed. Lastly I am not pulling any trickery this game. No false role claim. Abs knows I have been approached about converting/deflecting to other faction. He can add more to that subject. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:06[/size] Ok. Straight up, I am Starfleet. I have only talked to you, Abs, and started basic conversations with Rcomer727 and ThickTalon. I reached out to them both as I felt based on some comments they each made in the forums made me feel like they were Starfleet as well. I was rolling the dice on making an early connection with other Starfleet as I have no innate ability and I did not purchase an investigative ability. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:12[/size] Straight up - I am non human Starfleet with only the non kill ability I bought. I have been in coms with the same folks. I have a gent agreement with one so I can say. Abs probably can for me . There is 1 other SF claim out there but we are doing mole protection. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:18[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:51 That was a lot of work. How about I tell you I can't kill and[b] looking for a SF with a phaser.[/b] What do you have a Thick Ryo and Blue.[/quote] Unfortunately I do not have a phaser so I can not help you there. I am also a non-human but I fail to see how my species factors into my role as it came with no innate abilities, just a plain old Your faction is Starfleet and your species is XXX Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:28[/size] Ditto are you a Vorta? I other SF is a vorta. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:30[/size] Let me know what Abs tells you about what I can't share. Sometimes truces on hindering. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:32[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:28 Ditto are you a Vorta? I other SF is a vorta.[/quote] Nope, not Vorta. The only value I can see in holding back info on the species is to be able to use it to verify an actual inspection was done? I'm not sure it is worth the hassle of keeping it a secret though from you or Abs though at this point seeing how I have put my trust in both by revealing so much already. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:33[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:30 Let me know what Abs tells you about what I can't share. Sometimes truces on hindering.[/quote] I have no truces. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:48[/size] Abs hasn't been online for a bit and I haven't been talking to anyone else so now I am stir crazy! [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:49[/size] I have just 1 and I shouldn't of made it. 1 - Madagascarter Susp 2 - ABS. SF 3 - Rockbert sus 4 - ThickTalon. Sus 5 - Rcomer727. SF 6 - 2ofclubs. SF 7 - jkl3699. sus 8 - MacEohaid sf? 9 - notoriouspat SF? 10 - KC321 sf? 11 - pygmyhippo277 not active 12 - Ryomyr not active 13 - Bluegoetz not active 14 - DreamStreet not active 15 - elysium5. SF [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:51[/size] Get a Trible they are no trouble or got to the halo deck. Don't for get thier is the hole dead and float for the game with 20 word messages. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:00[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:51 Get a Trible they are no trouble or got to the halo deck. Don't for get thier is the hole dead and float for the game with 20 word messages.[/quote] Sorry but I have no idea what this means other than the latter part that the dead can offer limited messages. No idea what you are referencing with the Trible talk. Are you trying to tell me something in code because of your agreement? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:08[/size] Why do you suspect Thick? I put this out to both Thick and Rcomer but they both were not online when I sent the offer. Thick has just come back online and wants to do it. [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 06:23[/size] Are you trying to send a message in this post: https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3788/star-trek-mafia/post/83546#post-83546 ? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 07:02[/size] To anyone who will listen [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:47[/size] You are Starfleet, then? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:53[/size] I am but everyone is claiming Starfleet. I guess due to noone knowing what faction is town and it being the safe answer. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:05[/size] I'll tell you what. I hate proposals and deals and so on. I like facts but at the same time, quite often a lucky guess or connection can be the key to winning a game with this many players. I agree everyone is going to claim Starfleet. I am going to take a huge risk here but I am at a clear disadvantage to start this game and I just have a hunch you are actually Starfleet so I am going to gamble my own game right here and now to try and form an alliance off of a hunch that will either ruin me right away or pay off by getting a head start. I am Starfleet. Would you like to exchange Role PM's? I'll go first if you want to take the chance with me. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:05[/size] Ok. Let's do it. I am Starfleet, human. Can we copy and past roles? I am lazy to go back and look....haha [hr][/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:32[/size] Triple r fury creature from 1st gen trek. No clue. As for Thick, I take the 5th and that's why I said talk to Abs. As starfleet I will say set phasers to kill and don't disclose. Fleet has Directive to follow others dont. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:35[/size] Well, this is what Thick just sent me: [spoiler]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:15 Spoiler (click to hide) Message: role assignment From: Tennesseelogman To: ThickTalon Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:51 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 00:13 the mafia game is about to start - can you go ahead and pick your ability? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:05 I would like to inspect Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:07 acknowledged - do you want 2 investigations of faction or 1 mind meld? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:13 Tough one.....I think I will go with the 2 investigations. Temporal Investigations Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:15 done ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:25 Sorry for my tardiness. Been a busy Labor Day weekend. Thanks for reminding me Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:04 At this time #NO LYNCH ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 Inspect E5 ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 can I use both of my inspections in one day phase or do i have to wait? Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:15 vote and inspection request noted only 1 inspection per day from the entire group - if there is more than 1 inspection request = a random drawing will be held to see who's request is granted and the others will have to wait until a later day ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:18 thank you. I can be referred to hence forth as Kirok. in the case you need to reference me:P Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:02 your attempt to probe the mind of ely failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:03 Kirok understands reluctantly[/spoiler] [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:56[/size] Either we trust each other or we don't but if we do not disclose all we could die without accomplishing anything. I feel holding back information is what actually leads to a team loss. Be truthful and the liars get flushed out pretty fast. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:01[/size] I reached out to 2 of C [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:03[/size] It looks like clubs just came back online so maybe you will get a response quickly. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:07[/size] [spoiler]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:05 Well looks like we need to trust each other. I have the inspect ability. I tried to inspect E5 but too many other "Sherlock Holmes " decided to work yesterday so my inspection was blocked. E5 reached out as it seems he is trying to put together Starfleet and even if there is a mole they will be flushed out. I was inclined to cooperate so we exchanged roles from Tenn. Trust me yet? I can't believe I trust you:)[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:08[/size] Yeah, I can't believe I trust clubs either! [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:17[/size] Lol.. he is not trusting me:D [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:18[/size] I am pushing clubs to trust you right now. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:26[/size] He is still fighting:) Unreal:D He is the one who swindles me not the other way around. Good lord [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:26[/size] What is he saying to you? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:28[/size] If Abs has 2 Inspections and I have 2 inspections we need to get on the same page. Seems like we won't get to use them however since Tenn is only allowing 1 per phase [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:33[/size] [quote]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:26 What is he saying to you?[/quote] Continuation from my last PM spoiler with clubs: [spoiler][b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:06[/size] Then why did he try and recruite both Abs and me. Also said we weren't same faction when I clearly said I was Starfleet and sent him the same reversed role question. He clearly didn't attempt to solve and went straight into converting was the word I think he was using. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:15[/size] I think Thick was being cagey with you on purpose. I think if we all share everything it would clear a lot of that up. Thick is willing to discuss dissolving your agreement with each other for the sake of getting this going into high gear if you agree as well. I just said this to Think and I'm now saying it to you and I believe we could swing a huge advantage here: This: [quote]What I'd like is to air out ALL of our laundry so the 4 of us could start a really early really strong position for Starfleet. If we do and one of them is in act a mole I don't think they would be able to hide it from the rest of us for long.[/quote] and later this: [quote]Either we trust each other or we don't but if we do not disclose all we could die without accomplishing anything. I feel holding back information is what actually leads to a team loss. Be truthful and the liars get flushed out pretty fast.[/quote] I can't believe I trust you! ;) [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:24[/size] Those highlighted messages are my responses to Thick not wanting to violate your agreement and just send me the whole PM with you. Thick is honoring your agreement but I think you should both drop it so we can just get it done and sort this out quickly. 4 of us could really be a force to reckon with and if one of us is lying, I believe they won't be able to hide for long. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:30[/size] I just reiterated what I amto Thick. Ok I will add all I know to you Abs & Ely = Starfleet Rcom & Notor likely SF We already know AbS & Thick can probe. I think Notor can probe. Nobody has kill that I know of. Rcom might. I have 4 shields. Mada Ryo Blue Jkl are highly suspicious. [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:47[/size] [youtube]https://youtu.be/JCvqMk4P3zQ[/youtube] [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:48[/size] It really was a good show. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:48[/size] It say Video unavailable for me... [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:49[/size] Click the [u]watch on youtube[/u] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:51[/size] Ha ha, wow am I an internet wizard or what? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:52[/size] Yeah, great show. Voyager is not as good as TNG but that is what I am binging this very moment. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:57[/size] You seem to agree with me on the value of full disclosure between all 4 of us so we can quickly get this all sorted one way or another. I think I might force the issue by creating a 4 way group chat and dumping everything in it. Whomever does not agree or participate will immediately becomes suspect and is likely lying about being Starfleet. If that ends up being the case, the remaining Starfleet among us can band together and come up with a plan. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:57[/size] I enjoyed them all. Sometimes they got silly but I mean come on.....space explorers!!! My post about Leaving Quadrant Alpha for Delta was about the episode where Voyager found a random planet in the Delta Quadrant that had life, turns out there were human historic people, Amelia Erhardt, etc (people lost on earth) that were slaves to this other life form... excellent [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:59[/size] I am good with it [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:00[/size] That was the first episode of the second season I believe. I like all of the series as well. I thought the Enterprise iteration with Scott Bakula had so much potential that wasn't realized. I really, really like the new one Strange New Worlds. It goes back to the roots of what made Star Trek such a great show in the first place. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:06[/size] Totally agree on Enterprise...I loved how none of there stuff ever worked because it was all so new. I am finishing up Picard before I go into Strange new worlds.....but I am looking forward to it [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:09[/size] I actually haven't done Picard yet. I have little patience for waiting for new episodes on series so knowing that it is/was a limited series, I was saving it so I could binge the whole thing when it concludes. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 02:40[/size] E5 - Below is what I was about to post in our group chat. You can reveal to the group this chat if you like... 2of c trusted noto, and Abs believes he Is starfleet.......what is sideways to me is there has been no mention of KC, until now. The way Noto talked in chat all 3 were in an ongoing chat....... [quote]This has been the only open group conversation I have had with a group. 2 of C says trust notoriouspat, noto just PM'ed me that he investigated me. Included in the chat are KC and Abs. I am not inferring anything here Abs but, has KC always been in on yours and notorius's conversation? I have read back and I don't see KC chime in at all, plus in your chats he says his investigation of KC was blocked, yet they are in the chat together? And yes mine of E5 was blocked and we are in the chat together here, I get it. Has your chat group with them been as open and revealing as this one? Just trying tto make sure KC and notorious are Starfleet before I reveal more cooperation their way [/quote] [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 02:40[/size] [spoiler]Message: Starfleet: New Chat From: notoriouspat To: ThickTalon, Tennesseelogman, KC321, Abs notoriouspat said: 09 Sep 2022, 01:42 Welcome, Thick. I investigated you discovering you are in fact Starfleet. KC, Abs, and myself were already in a chat together. Abs had a hunch you were Starfleet, I took a risk to investi

I just spent an hour copy and pasting trying to put it all in one message. I guess that failed. Above are the first 2 anyway. I'll post the rest one at a time. [quote]Message: Star Trek From: elysium5 To: Tennesseelogman, Rcomer727[/quote] [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:27[/size] https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3788/star-trek-mafia/post/83566#post-83566 I feel ya. You really Starfleet? [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:50[/size] Hmmmmm. Prove yourself! [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:55[/size] You are the one who just claimed Starfleet. All I asked if you really are Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:58[/size] Oh haha, true true. I am indeed. What are you? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:06[/size] I am also Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:26[/size] I just made this offer to another player who I think is Starfleet and I believe you are as well: [quote]elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:05 I'll tell you what. I hate proposals and deals and so on. I like facts but at the same time, quite often a lucky guess or connection can be the key to winning a game with this many players. [b]I agree everyone is going to claim Starfleet.[/b] I am going to take a huge risk here but I am at a clear disadvantage to start this game and I just have a hunch you are actually Starfleet so I am going to gamble my own game right here and now to try and form an alliance off of a hunch that will either ruin me right away or pay off by getting a head start. I am Starfleet. Would you like to exchange Role PM's? I'll go first if you want to take the chance with me.[/quote] The part I bolded is in response to the other player making this statement in our chat: [quote]I am but everyone is claiming Starfleet. I guess due to noone knowing what faction is town and it being the safe answer.[/quote] The player has not responded to me yet. I have the same gut feeling about you. How do you feel about the same offer? [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:13[/size] Yes, I am happy to accept your alliance offer. I think you are aware but I am in communication with one other that I am 99.99% sure is also star fleet. You are the only two I'm in contact with so far for this game [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:20[/size] I'm still game. You ready to trade? [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 18:27[/size] 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 16:21 You have been chatting w/ others you just don't know it. LOL Several eyes have seen the chats and we are trying to catch all and keep the fleet pure. So be true and up front with us. We can engage and stay in warp mode. Rcomer727 said: 08 Sep 2022, 18:05 Hahahaha! Good to know Just let me know what to do and I'll be a good soldier 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 18:17 Dont give up that Startfleet is getting organized. Continue with the confused status. Don't be a threat. You will be in the flock soon not that you're not already. We have no secretes and are pressuring Mada. Any new chats should be copied to Ely or Me so we can see whats going on and catch discrepancies. Its also best that we keep chats as they are to control what can be leaked to a mole. Although we don't believe we have one. 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 18:26 You can single vote Mada and state thats what you are doing in Game thread. i.e "I am so confused and reluctantly following 2oC vote because we have to get some movement" or "I reluctantly agree with clubs on Madas suspicious past voting". You can & should copy this chat to Ely. [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 18:27[/size] Just sending the info from 2ofc along [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 18:28[/size] What else do you want to know? [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 22:17[/size] Ok 2oc died. You are the only other person I am in contact with, so that's cool. Mada again? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 13:16[/size] Yes, Mada again. I won't be back online until later tonight after the deadline. [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 22:18[/size] Any thoughts on where to go now? I'm going to inspect a couple of folks I think but am open on who you think I should inspect [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]09 Sep 2022, 23:49[/size] What is your ability exactly? Is it innate or purchased? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 14:09[/size] I am going offline again for the day then I have a few days much more open. Going to vote hooboy this time. [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]10 Sep 2022, 15:17[/size] It is purchased - I can do two inspections or mind meld one [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]11 Sep 2022, 01:00[/size] I don't know if it is better to use the two inspections or go for the mind meld at this point. It depends on a recent thought I am having....have you heard of ANY other faction other than Starfleet or The Borg? I may be way off on this but I'm starting to think there are no other factions... [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]11 Sep 2022, 02:22[/size] I think there is only the two. I've still only talked to you and our now dead compatriot though so idk [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]11 Sep 2022, 02:32[/size] Well, I'm gearing up now to try and destroy The Borg. If The Borg has a way to kill me, they surely will try to this phase so this will no doubt be an exciting day. The longer I live, the better, but I am going to go all out now. [hr] [b][user]Rcomer727[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]11 Sep 2022, 02:35[/size] Ok. Let me know the plan [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]11 Sep 2022, 02:43[/size] I absolutely will. A lot of messaging for me right now but I'll try and keep you up. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]11 Sep 2022, 02:51[/size] Were you ever in contact with Rock? [hr] [/spoiler]

[quote]Message: Star Trek From: Abs To: elysium5, Tennesseelogman[/quote] [spoiler][b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] Hi Ely, so I am about to investigate you, should I not bother and you Can give me some info or shall I use it anyway? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I am starfleet and confirmed Human and already Part of a group of other confirmed town, I have heard you claim Starfleet but I want to hear it from you. If you don’t want to then I can investigate you anyway but seems a waste so either way I will know and if You truly are then you should tell me so I can use it on a better target [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:44[/size] I have 15 min to tell Ten to not use it [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:45[/size] If you are Starfleet, please do investigate me. We have to start somewhere. I put my vote on you. I guess I should take it off if you are indeed Starfleet. What better target? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] I am 100% starfleet and I just took my vote off you, I have a powerful ability though so don’t want to waste it in you if you genuinely are Starfleet [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:40 Ok so can I investigate Elysium please I also want to change my lynch vote from Ely to #nolynch [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:50[/size] Ok. [quote]elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:49 I would like to: #Unlynch Abs and change it to #No Lynch[/quote] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:52[/size] 2of clubs is messaging me at the same time as you and he just sent me something that doesn't jive with my own role PM. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:54[/size] Yes he did this to me and i Went back and told Him this isn’t the same and he Then came back and told Me what is different which was correct, I am inclined to think he is Starfleet He told me in our starfleet group we have created he was sending it to you I think he is one of the good guys this game [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] To what end? To try and catch me up or to cover his tracks? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:01[/size] No to try and verify If you are indeed a starfleet I assume [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:02[/size] From clubs 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:57 I gave Ely that the time stamp was wrong and asked him what els was wrong with Role PM. He came back with the 1st part is the same as his but 2nd is different. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:02[/size] Well, he could also be fishing to try and get someone to tell him exactly what a Starfleet Role PM is supposed to look like. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:03[/size] And clearly the timestamp was wrong. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:03[/size] I decided to investigate you anyway as your right, if I can then see you are indeed starfleet then I will know for sure. I have also told other confirmed Starfleeters I investigated you so if I end up dead, so will you [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:04[/size] Ok, well I am Starfleet so you won't end up dead because of me! [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] Let me know how you want to move forward once your investigation comes back. How will I be able to verify you? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:23[/size] I’m not sure tbh, but why would I investigate you if I was mafia and thought you were!? I’m clearly herding town in this game which is what we have to do. We will find a way to prove it, no issues [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:26[/size] Well it didn’t work anyway haha! I don’t know what the hell happened here! Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:26[/size] I have been talking to you and 2of clubs literally back and forth and clearly you both are exchanging notes on our discussion. You seem to be playing it straight forward but 2ofclubs, not so much. I assume you got the verification you need though? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:27[/size] Seriously? [quote]Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use.[/quote] grrr... [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:30[/size] Well no I didn’t get anything hence the message above! Why was my inspection blocked!? What a useless ability haha! Clubs is still a little on my suspicious list, I am telling him I am applying pressure on you and seeing How he reacts and so Far he seems to think you are playing starfleet but are not and i Don’t know why. He said a certain part of his copy and paste Of his role PM that I called out on, you have now done which is making his suspicious If you can tell me now which part this is, I can 100% believe you. Take a look at your role PM, on the first line what word has Clubs added or removed in his message that isn’t in your original PM? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:31[/size] You have not* done, not meant to say now [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:31[/size] [quote]Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:30 Well no I didn’t get anything hence the message above! Why was my inspection blocked!? What a useless ability haha![/quote] I posted that at the same time you were sending that non-verification message to me. I didn't see it until after I hit send with my question about verification. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:33[/size] Ten just told me it didn’t go through as he didn’t want a blitz of investigations in day 1 and wants everyone to play the “cop” role at least once to share the fun. Therefore only 1 investigation can go through per day [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:34[/size] I looked again and I see it now. He also added in the word Federation in the first sentence. I hate sifting through clubs babble. I will send you all of my PM with him. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:35[/size] Here you go. Nothing changed or edited: [spoiler][b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] The talk is you are claiming Starfleet. What's wrong with the following? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:55 Xxxxxxx 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made at least 3 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. I have 1 other Starfleet and 1 non Starfleet claim Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 21:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I'm Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Is this the same PM you got from Ten except for time stamp? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:51[/size] The first part yes but not the second. Hmmm... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] I know 2nd part is not. What's wrong with the 2nd part. I know I am starfleet and have hard claimed it it Thread & PMs. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:57[/size] We will start with the XXX's being on the wrong side of the win condition. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:58[/size] Correct and.......?? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:59[/size] the wording is backward [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:05[/size] Yes I basically reversed the win clause and put in xxxx. One more answer needed to clear you as starfleet. Others have passed this with ease. Your reluctance is suspicious. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:06[/size] What test? Maybe I am misunderstanding what specifically it is you are looking for me to verify. Your fishing without providing me anything is suspicious and I have lied about nothing. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:10[/size] Your win condition is XXXXXXX Is that want you want to know? Now you have the Starfleet role PM. Makes you a good spy, doesn't it? [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] I gave you the Start Fleet Frederation role with a few changes from Tens PM becuase you claim SF. You Re reluctant to correct or state what was changed. You could assume the reversing of win clause based on your non SF PM from ten. I am not fishing. I have my info. I am verifying your claim. I will waste an inspect to be 100% sure but prefer not to. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:16[/size] Abs said he was going to inspect me but is now not online... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:18[/size] I am not a spy and 75% sure you are not Star Fleet Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:19[/size] Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:21[/size] I told you that about Abs because Abs said the 2 of you were discussing my claim. I am 100 percent Starfleet. Do you think Abs is Starfleet like he claims he is? If Abs is, and actually did inspect me like he said he would then that should verify me. [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:38[/size] Full disclosure. I just added this to the clubs message: [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:37[/size] Now I see what you are referring to. Drop the word Federation. [hr][/spoiler] [hr] [/spoiler]

[quote]Message: Ely Startrek From: 2ofclubs To: elysium5, Tennesseelogman[/quote] [spoiler][b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] The talk is you are claiming Starfleet. What's wrong with the following? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:55 Xxxxxxx 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made at least 3 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. I have 1 other Starfleet and 1 non Starfleet claim Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 21:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I'm Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Is this the same PM you got from Ten except for time stamp? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:51[/size] The first part yes but not the second. Hmmm... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] I know 2nd part is not. What's wrong with the 2nd part. I know I am starfleet and have hard claimed it it Thread & PMs. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:57[/size] We will start with the XXX's being on the wrong side of the win condition. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:58[/size] Correct and.......?? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:59[/size] the wording is backward [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:05[/size] Yes I basically reversed the win clause and put in xxxx. One more answer needed to clear you as starfleet. Others have passed this with ease. Your reluctance is suspicious. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:06[/size] What test? Maybe I am misunderstanding what specifically it is you are looking for me to verify. Your fishing without providing me anything is suspicious and I have lied about nothing. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:10[/size] Your win condition is XXXXXXX Is that want you want to know? Now you have the Starfleet role PM. Makes you a good spy, doesn't it? [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] I gave you the Start Fleet Frederation role with a few changes from Tens PM becuase you claim SF. You Re reluctant to correct or state what was changed. You could assume the reversing of win clause based on your non SF PM from ten. I am not fishing. I have my info. I am verifying your claim. I will waste an inspect to be 100% sure but prefer not to. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:16[/size] Abs said he was going to inspect me but is now not online... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:18[/size] I am not a spy and 75% sure you are not Star Fleet Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:19[/size] Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:21[/size] I told you that about Abs because Abs said the 2 of you were discussing my claim. I am 100 percent Starfleet. Do you think Abs is Starfleet like he claims he is? If Abs is, and actually did inspect me like he said he would then that should verify me. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:37[/size] Now I see what you are referring to. Drop the word Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:42[/size] Ok he did inspect you but something went wrong so you weren't verified. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:44[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:42 Ok he did inspect you but something went wrong so you weren't verified.[/quote] That's what Abs told me as well. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:48[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:19 Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting[/quote] You think I was trying to deflect you from inspecting me? Nope. I am hoping someone does and that said someone is Starfleet so we can get this game going our way sooner rather than later. I also didn't realize you also can inspect? Is that what you were implying? I am not fishing and I am not deflecting and everything I have said is the absolute truth. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:51[/size] That was a lot of work. How about I tell you I can't kill and looking for a SF with a phaser. What do you have a Thick Ryo and Blue. Abs came right back with the role differences and challenged me to. So pretty sure Abs is Starfleet. The others are being quarantined (mole protection). [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:58[/size] I can not inspect. I believe we have 4 verified Starfleets, 1 unverified and 1 not Starfleet. I have to focus on work. Work it out with Abs on we proceed. Lastly I am not pulling any trickery this game. No false role claim. Abs knows I have been approached about converting/deflecting to other faction. He can add more to that subject. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:06[/size] Ok. Straight up, I am Starfleet. I have only talked to you, Abs, and started basic conversations with Rcomer727 and ThickTalon. I reached out to them both as I felt based on some comments they each made in the forums made me feel like they were Starfleet as well. I was rolling the dice on making an early connection with other Starfleet as I have no innate ability and I did not purchase an investigative ability. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:12[/size] Straight up - I am non human Starfleet with only the non kill ability I bought. I have been in coms with the same folks. I have a gent agreement with one so I can say. Abs probably can for me . There is 1 other SF claim out there but we are doing mole protection. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:18[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:51 That was a lot of work. How about I tell you I can't kill and[b] looking for a SF with a phaser.[/b] What do you have a Thick Ryo and Blue.[/quote] Unfortunately I do not have a phaser so I can not help you there. I am also a non-human but I fail to see how my species factors into my role as it came with no innate abilities, just a plain old Your faction is Starfleet and your species is XXX Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:28[/size] Ditto are you a Vorta? I other SF is a vorta. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:30[/size] Let me know what Abs tells you about what I can't share. Sometimes truces on hindering. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:32[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:28 Ditto are you a Vorta? I other SF is a vorta.[/quote] Nope, not Vorta. The only value I can see in holding back info on the species is to be able to use it to verify an actual inspection was done? I'm not sure it is worth the hassle of keeping it a secret though from you or Abs though at this point seeing how I have put my trust in both by revealing so much already. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:33[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:30 Let me know what Abs tells you about what I can't share. Sometimes truces on hindering.[/quote] I have no truces. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:48[/size] Abs hasn't been online for a bit and I haven't been talking to anyone else so now I am stir crazy! [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:49[/size] I have just 1 and I shouldn't of made it. 1 - Madagascarter Susp 2 - ABS. SF 3 - Rockbert sus 4 - ThickTalon. Sus 5 - Rcomer727. SF 6 - 2ofclubs. SF 7 - jkl3699. sus 8 - MacEohaid sf? 9 - notoriouspat SF? 10 - KC321 sf? 11 - pygmyhippo277 not active 12 - Ryomyr not active 13 - Bluegoetz not active 14 - DreamStreet not active 15 - elysium5. SF [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:51[/size] Get a Trible they are no trouble or got to the halo deck. Don't for get thier is the hole dead and float for the game with 20 word messages. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:00[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:51 Get a Trible they are no trouble or got to the halo deck. Don't for get thier is the hole dead and float for the game with 20 word messages.[/quote] Sorry but I have no idea what this means other than the latter part that the dead can offer limited messages. No idea what you are referencing with the Trible talk. Are you trying to tell me something in code because of your agreement? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:08[/size] Why do you suspect Thick? I put this out to both Thick and Rcomer but they both were not online when I sent the offer. Thick has just come back online and wants to do it. [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 06:23[/size] Are you trying to send a message in this post: https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3788/star-trek-mafia/post/83546#post-83546 ? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 07:02[/size] To anyone who will listen [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:47[/size] You are Starfleet, then? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:53[/size] I am but everyone is claiming Starfleet. I guess due to noone knowing what faction is town and it being the safe answer. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:05[/size] I'll tell you what. I hate proposals and deals and so on. I like facts but at the same time, quite often a lucky guess or connection can be the key to winning a game with this many players. I agree everyone is going to claim Starfleet. I am going to take a huge risk here but I am at a clear disadvantage to start this game and I just have a hunch you are actually Starfleet so I am going to gamble my own game right here and now to try and form an alliance off of a hunch that will either ruin me right away or pay off by getting a head start. I am Starfleet. Would you like to exchange Role PM's? I'll go first if you want to take the chance with me. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:05[/size] Ok. Let's do it. I am Starfleet, human. Can we copy and past roles? I am lazy to go back and look....haha [hr][/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:32[/size] Triple r fury creature from 1st gen trek. No clue. As for Thick, I take the 5th and that's why I said talk to Abs. As starfleet I will say set phasers to kill and don't disclose. Fleet has Directive to follow others dont. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:35[/size] Well, this is what Thick just sent me: [spoiler]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:15 Spoiler (click to hide) Message: role assignment From: Tennesseelogman To: ThickTalon Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:51 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 00:13 the mafia game is about to start - can you go ahead and pick your ability? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:05 I would like to inspect Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:07 acknowledged - do you want 2 investigations of faction or 1 mind meld? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:13 Tough one.....I think I will go with the 2 investigations. Temporal Investigations Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:15 done ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:25 Sorry for my tardiness. Been a busy Labor Day weekend. Thanks for reminding me Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:04 At this time #NO LYNCH ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 Inspect E5 ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 can I use both of my inspections in one day phase or do i have to wait? Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:15 vote and inspection request noted only 1 inspection per day from the entire group - if there is more than 1 inspection request = a random drawing will be held to see who's request is granted and the others will have to wait until a later day ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:18 thank you. I can be referred to hence forth as Kirok. in the case you need to reference me:P Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:02 your attempt to probe the mind of ely failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:03 Kirok understands reluctantly[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:06[/size] Then why did he try and recruite both Abs and me. Also said we weren't same faction when I clearly said I was Starfleet and sent him the same reversed role question. He clearly didn't attempt to solve and went straight into converting was the word I think he was using. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:15[/size] I think Thick was being cagey with you on purpose. I think if we all share everything it would clear a lot of that up. Thick is willing to discuss dissolving your agreement with each other for the sake of getting this going into high gear if you agree as well. I just said this to Think and I'm now saying it to you and I believe we could swing a huge advantage here: This: [quote]What I'd like is to air out ALL of our laundry so the 4 of us could start a really early really strong position for Starfleet. If we do and one of them is in act a mole I don't think they would be able to hide it from the rest of us for long.[/quote] and later this: [quote]Either we trust each other or we don't but if we do not disclose all we could die without accomplishing anything. I feel holding back information is what actually leads to a team loss. Be truthful and the liars get flushed out pretty fast.[/quote] I can't believe I trust you! ;) [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:24[/size] Those highlighted messages are my responses to Thick not wanting to violate your agreement and just send me the whole PM with you. Thick is honoring your agreement but I think you should both drop it so we can just get it done and sort this out quickly. 4 of us could really be a force to reckon with and if one of us is lying, I believe they won't be able to hide for long. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:30[/size] I just reiterated what I amto Thick. Ok I will add all I know to you Abs & Ely = Starfleet Rcom & Notor likely SF We already know AbS & Thick can probe. I think Notor can probe. Nobody has kill that I know of. Rcom might. I have 4 shields. Mada Ryo Blue Jkl are highly suspicious. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:35[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:06 Then why did he try and recruite both Abs and me. Also said we weren't same faction when I clearly said I was Starfleet and sent him the same reversed role question. He clearly didn't attempt to solve and went straight into converting was the word I think he was using.[/quote] That is why I say if we all share all of our messages we can root out any issues right now. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:08[/size] Part 1 [spoiler]2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 14:42 I owe you. I am Federation Star Fleet non human with shields up next phase. That's shields not evil cloaking. ♧♧ ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:14 You don't owe me. I am not quite sure with this 3 rounds of kill silence here. I could be any of the species . The roles are very vague so telling me you are human does nothing for me, telling me you Federation Star Fleet however does give me an idea that you are probably not telling me everything. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:19 your most recent posts seem to suggest your "prime Objective" is borg ... not "hu.an" as you so like to place clues in all your posts. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:21 and to be honest.. regardless.....at this stage. It doesn't matter what you are as anyone can be recruited to join any faction. So we should use our game skills and join each other.....even if now we are not of the same faction. in other words......your assimilation of me may need to be 7 of 9'ed to the reverse order. 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:56 I am not Borg (no assimilation or assimilating) or a droid. I am a non human species member of Star Fleet. I have told you all accept my species. You can check off Vulcan, Klingon and Ramulon. I know this is not typical 2oc but trying different approach. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 19:01 again. I don't think it matters at this point who you are just that I need to survive through the first 3 rounds. i don't need any random shots fired at me. so if you have that ability, shoot elsewhere and maybe we can join each other on the other side of day 3. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 19:57 So I am starting to gather that there is not good or bad. Only survival. how shall the 2 of us survive? 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 21:24 I don't expect to survive. But going to hope for the best and 3 additional bars of kriptonite. LOL wrong series. I also believe there are more than 2 factions. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 15:06 Visiting hours in sick bay! Here is my share I have with another claimed star fleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 13:40 Ok i could have said Directive. The Prime Directive (officially Starfleet Order 1) is a prohibition on interference with the other cultures and civilizations representatives of Starfleet encounter in their exploration of the universe. The Q has similar Directive. Note; some species have abilities like Q, Betazoid etc YES I am star fleet but not human. I am not saying I have special ability. We may have 3 star fleet. I only have 3 PMs going. Really slow movement. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 15:36 Damn it Clubs........ Sick bay visitation hours are for those that don't manipulate the narrative:P I will say it again we should be on the same side regardless.....so if you are playing a game and pretending to be StarFleet or even if we are Klingons we need to be on the same side. garnering support from good players converting to the "good side" is my Prime Directive, on my own i might add. I have no special ability. only that I am not in the mood to kill people. but I can look into others roles. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:10 Ok I am NOT manipulating narrative. Betazoid should be the only one to look into others as a species ability. I have 1 other claiming Human Federation. Just cant find other starfleet of any species to band. With nothing to prove or dis prove claims. Worf (klingon) is Federation in next generation but klingons are bad in 1st generation. ? . Has anyone claim captain kirk to you (i know names werent assigned). With Hood and Anax not playing and Ten as mod. I am probably Ely, Ryo, Blue and Jkl primary target based on their past games and play. Mac is dangerous. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I got this PM from someone "So we could be in the same faction but we know we are not the same species. So I could be Captain Kirk and you could be Klingon or Vulcan? It would be cool if we were in the same faction!" I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made 2 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:59 [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:09[/size] Part 2 [spoiler] ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:59 well since you owe me, we need to have a gentleman's agreement that we will not attack each other and that we will not out each other to our factions. you and I are not on the same side. But again you can be if you convert to my faction, to which at this time I will not reveal. I do not feel you are being honest with your copy and paste above. No Death, only unity in thinking across the universe. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:20 I am being honest. You can not correct my Federation changes. I am willing to be converted. I won't/cant attck you. I wont out you for my team but will for my survival or later when game is at that stage. It could be interesting converting while having Fed inside info. Do you know others of your team? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:22 you are not Starfleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:32 Yes I am and have been confirmed with another who could correct my copy and paste. I don't know why you can't believe me. I told you straight up what my test were and intentions. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:35 The problem is you would need more than 2 corrections on your copy and paste for you to be Starfleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:49 I have 3 in there. Maybe 4 depending how you view it. My other Starfleet player caught them. So I know we are both star fleet federation. Are you only able to convert starfleet and reluctant on converting me? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:53 Federation is a larger group. Starfleet is just that Starfleet. So again I feel you and I are not of the same faction. however if you can turn over the other persons name I can start to piece together the rest of Starfleet. I cannot divulge yet on converting only trying to find those that are willing to stick it out. I stand by what I said. I have no reason or call to attack you in any fashion. I will stay out of your way, I am only here to survive and bring exploration to the uncharted corners of the universe. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:08 Yes I used the SF vs Federation as part of my test on confirming real Starfleet. I don't think it's a good idea to give up SF just like I can't give you up. I am not attacking you. I alsoget the sense you can't attack. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:53 Attack was not my request for ability. My ability if shared with others, only one can be performed per phase, so it will be random. If others have my ability 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 19:02 Don't waste your looking into role on me. Thats my 1st Olive branch. I suggest a quiet player like Ely or jkl or the always town guy LOL. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 01:36 So did you get anything with your first day ability? 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:00 Remember i am going for extra kryptonite bars. Plus we don't find out until D4 anyway. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:05 Well looks like we need to trust each other. I have the inspect ability. I tried to inspect E5 but too many other "Sherlock Holmes " decided to work yesterday so my inspection was blocked. E5 reached out as it seems he is trying to put together Starfleet and even if there is a mole they will be flushed out. I was inclined to cooperate so we exchanged roles from Tenn. Trust me yet? I can't believe I trust you:) [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:22[/size] Ok, I think you and Thick should be on the same page but you are just not connecting. I was about to start a group chat while you were typing this and after reading it I think it is more important than ever to just get this all sorted as soon as possible. Sending it out in a sec. [hr] [/spoiler]

[quote]Message: Star Trek: Starfleet first contact group chat From: elysium5 To: ThickTalon, Tennesseelogman, 2ofclubs, Abs[/quote] Page 1 [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:25[/size] Ok folks, I have a busy 3 days coming up so I want to get this sorted sooner rather than later. I don't want to waste time squabbling and hooked on trust issues. I believe at least 3 of us if not all 4 of us are actually Starfleet. Based on conversations I've had with all I propose a total full info dump from everyone. Whomever does not agree or participate will immediately becomes suspect and is likely lying about being Starfleet. If that ends up being the case, the remaining Starfleet among us can band together and come up with a plan. I have basically disclosed everything to everyone already about my own situation and I believe this could be a tremendous opportunity for all (or most) of us and in doing so I have nothing to lose by doing it and everything to gain by creating a good base to start from. Trust is a hard pill to swallow in these games but maybe we struck pure Latium here while our enemies struggle to put themselves together. Forget those Kriptonite bars, 2ofclubs, Latium is the true standard here. I am willing to force the issue with a full dump myself unless someone can convince me not to do it. I will give everyone a chance to weigh in first. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:33[/size] My dump is I have PM with Rcom and believe he is Starfleet too. I only mentioned additional kryptonite cuz I couldn't recall the word latonium and wanted others to waste there ability on my shield. I think it was mod planned to not let probes go through all along. Do I need to share Abs and my PM. No secrets there. Rcom PM spoiler. [spoiler]Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:25 Yo! I figure I'll try this whole early pm comm thing. You say you are star fleet and so do I, so I guess that's a start. Assuming we are both telling the truth, how do you recommend finding the others? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:42 I have a test. I can send you. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:42 I have a test. I can send you. Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:53 Ok, send it 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:55 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I got this PM from someone "So we could be in the same faction but we know we are not the same species. So I could be Captain Kirk and you could be Klingon or Vulcan? It would be cool if we were in the same faction!" I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made at least 3 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. I have 1 other Starfleet and 1 non Starfleet claim Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 21:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:15 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is vorta Eliminate all other factions is your win condition Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:16 That's mine at least. No idea what your species is lol Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:17 Oh sorry. I need to read better. One sec Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:19 Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Vorta Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:21 There. I missed the first part of your message like a dummy but you changed the faction wording to include federation and put the win condition wording at the end instead of start 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:20 Time stamp too. ;) This has been used to 99% verify 2 others and unverify 1. I will let others know I know of another starfleet and we may create a sub group to maintain mole control. Don't tell anyone else you are Vorta. Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:23 Ooooh haha, that makes sense. I will not. I Have a claim from elysium of being starfleet. Have you heard anything? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:25 Nothing from Ely or blue. Ask him if he can give proof of being star fleet. I know a non starfleet role inspector. The BS is getting Thick! How are you on picking up clues? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:50 I asked virtually the same question about PM role. Ely came back with just "I am Starfleet". I asked a 2nd question but pretty sure he is not. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:01 He is Not doing so well with follow up questions. It may be he is being cautious with me. But if he is Starfleet he should see I have the info and I am starfleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:38 I am now 99% sure Ely is not starfleet. You should cease PMs with him. I need to wait for other SF to come on line to coordinate the next 3 days. I can't kill, Can you kill? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:06 It looks like Ely is Starfleet after all. Did you tell hime anything about my rolee test?But stillbe careful. [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:34[/size] You know where I stand. [spoiler]Message: role assignment From: Tennesseelogman To: ThickTalon Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:51 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 00:13 the mafia game is about to start - can you go ahead and pick your ability? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:05 I would like to inspect Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:07 acknowledged - do you want 2 investigations of faction or 1 mind meld? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:13 Tough one.....I think I will go with the 2 investigations. Temporal Investigations Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:15 done ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:25 Sorry for my tardiness. Been a busy Labor Day weekend. Thanks for reminding me Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:04 At this time #NO LYNCH ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 Inspect E5 ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 can I use both of my inspections in one day phase or do i have to wait? Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:15 vote and inspection request noted only 1 inspection per day from the entire group - if there is more than 1 inspection request = a random drawing will be held to see who's request is granted and the others will have to wait until a later day ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:18 thank you. I can be referred to hence forth as Kirok. in the case you need to reference me:P Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:02 your attempt to probe the mind of ely failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:03 Kirok understands reluctantly[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:37[/size] Ten spoiler also backs my krypto comments and what I have said. [spoiler] Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 14:05 Force field ?s Its only active for current phase? - yes Is activating field a block for all abilities OR do we have to say against a certain one? - all Does it block the extra votes as well as the standard vote? it only serves to protect you or your target - it does not block anyone from voting, neither standard nor extra Phaser ? if 2 different players stun the same 3rd player, does that upgrade to a kill or stunned for 2 phases or just a wasted stun? it does not kill Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Vorta Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 22:13 Force field myself. Vote/float Dream Street Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 00:24 got it Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 00:31 But going to hope for the best and 3 additional bars of kriptonite i know this is from another chat - but you know that you do not earn additional lanium if you use any ability during the 1st 3 days - right? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 02:50 Yes I know. Deception at hand. Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 11:14 2ofclubs wrote: only trust Tennessee. that is the only time i have ever seen that :) [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:38[/size] Since we are all out in the open I only have 1 other conversation with Rock who hasn't said more than hello [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:40[/size] Looks like movement. Group call on Rcom and Notor. I still sus Mada Blue Ryo and jkl. A question not asked is how many are in each faction? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:40[/size] My plan is to dump everything, and I mean everything. All conversations. All of my Role PM and communication with Tenn. Everything. This is a good start, though, from both of you. In terms of your and my brief messaging with Rcomer727, did we just add a very likely possibility of a 5th Starfleet member? This is going to be epic! [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:42[/size] I am for adding Rcom not sure on Notor I just saw a share where he was in the thread. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:43[/size] Clubs you good with me dumping our conversation? I reread and most is already common knowledge [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:44[/size] I am probably wrong but to address the faction possibilities, if I had to guess right now I would say that there are 2 larger factions and one smaller one like the Borg who can assimilate. That is the only thing that makes sense to me right now with the size of out potential group and the added aspect of the ability of a faction to convert. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:56[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 03:42 I am for adding Rcom not sure on Notor I just saw a share where he was in the thread.[/quote] Right now I suspect everyone who is not the 4 of us in this thread with the exception of Rcomer727. I get the feeling Rc is also Starfleet. I truly am leaning heavily on the feeling we are all Starfleet here. Maybe I am being overly optomistic but other than the usual cageyness and distrust that goes on in a game like this, I can't find anything in any chats to suggest any of us are other that what we claim to be. Starfleet. There is a reason why Starfleet is so strong and that is our beliefs and our trust and our willingness do do whatever it takes to work together to survive and prosper. Lets do this! [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:12[/size] Let me also say that according to Tenn's description of how actions and abilities play out in this first 3 day cycle that one or more of the inspections did not succeed because someone was stunned or killed or some other ability was used against you and not solely just because of a mass influx of inspections. That is just another reason why we need to try and take advantage of this group situation now. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:25[/size] I'll be up for a couple more hours but I won't have time in the morning to do much other than info dump as I stated I would so if there are no convincing objections before then, I will do a FULL info dump then as I will only have a few hours in the morning to contribute and will then have to leave after that and might not be back online before the next deadline. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:29[/size] Thick I already dumped it to to Ely as a long spoiler. Go ahead they will match less the last few post where we were discussing this group. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:32[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 04:29 Thick I already dumped it to to Ely as a long spoiler. Go ahead they will match less the last few post where we were discussing this group.[/quote] If we all do an unedited full info dump of each conversation it should help to clear up any confusion and also help put all the pieces together better as opposed to all the partial conversation exchanges. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:37[/size] So Notor Ely Abs & Thick have had an ability used against them. Ely did you have a force field on you. I have a force field on me. I hope the 3 of you weren't stunned or killed. Does anybody have an interest ability or a kill ability? We are doomed if we have to rely on votes. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:40[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 04:37 So Notor Ely Abs & Thick have had an ability used against them. Ely did you have a force field on you. I have a force field on me. I hope the 3 of you weren't stunned or killed. Does anybody have an interest ability or a kill ability? We are doomed if we have to rely on votes.[/quote] I didn't say that is what actually happened, I just wanted to point out the possibility of it happening to one or more of us as an alternative explanation to just the 'too many inspections' statement by Tenn. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:41[/size] Just the last page a few chats with Thick weren't dumped of mine. I fully disclosed all now. [spoiler] 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:08 No, you tried to convert me and didn't answer the PM Role questions I sent you. So idk how you convinced Ely. Why didn't you look into my role instead of ely? ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:16 You and I have an agreement to work together regardless of our faction so why wouldnI waste an Inspection on you. Plus you clearly said not to. Not to mention I would rather inspect players that don't normally talk in chat. Your initial post about roles was littered with issues. You said "Star Fleet" and not Starfleet. You used Federation, and the second line was all backwards ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:19 Spoiler (click to show) ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:19 Above is what yours should read if you are indeed Starfleet ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:20 Well minus the human part ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:21 Plus. Need I really remind you that I don't trust 2 of C???? You have fooled me more times than not. I am cool with it BTW 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:22 Yes it was purposely done so a true starfleet could point out or correct. You didn't even try. The 1 time stamp was changed too. So time has passed and you could have gotten the answers. It is going to be hard to trust each other with our history. But I will claim it any way you like 99 100 110 Hard..... Starfleet, non human, eliminate all not my faction. Stamped 2200. No inate abilities. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:25 Shall we let Ely know we can group together to use our abilites? 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:32 I just dump all I have on Ely. No real specifics on our PM that he doesn't already know. Do you know who the 4th SF is and the 5th 6th potential? ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:33 Abs and Rycomer. I don't know the 6th. 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:34 Complete total honesty here. I am not pulling any trickery or a mole or letting others run down a rabbit hole. I should claim Spock be [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:42[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 04:37 So Notor Ely Abs & Thick have had an ability used against them. Ely did you have a force field on you. I have a force field on me. I hope the 3 of you weren't stunned or killed. Does anybody have an interest ability or a kill ability? [b] We are doomed if we have to rely on votes.[/b][/quote] I wouldn't say we are doomed if we have to rely on votes, not if we are all on the same page. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:43[/size] 3 inspects and 3 fails (Abs and Thick on Ely) . Then the Notor Rcom comment not sure which way that went. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:46[/size] To clear something up for you, clubs, Thick convinced me because Thick game me their role PM [b][size=16px]before[/size][/b] I returned the favor and it clearly matched with mine. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:47[/size] We at least Ely and Thick aren't out to get me. Ryo doesn't have Hood or Anax to focus on. Mac is probably a little salty from last game. Blue and Mada are a concern. Jkl is town again :P [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:49[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 04:43 [b]3 inspects and 3 fails[/b] (Abs and Thick on Ely) . Then the Notor Rcom comment not sure which way that went.[/quote] This is why I brought up the possibility that all the inspection fails were not just because of an overload of requests but just as likely as a result of ability uses. All the more reason to get all the information we can out for each other. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:52[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 04:47 [b]We at least Ely and Thick aren't out to get me.[/b] Ryo doesn't have Hood or Anax to focus on. Mac is probably a little salty from last game. Blue and Mada are a concern. Jkl is town again :P[/quote] Believe me clubs, I would much rather NOT be on your team as it is much easier for me to antagonize you than to try and trust and work with you. This seems to be the rare exception;) [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:59[/size] Also clubs, part of your last 'fully disclosed' post, the spoiler part can not be seen unless you open it up before you copy and paste: [quote]Your initial post about roles was littered with issues. You said "Star Fleet" and not Starfleet. You used Federation, and the second line was all backwards ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:19 [b]Spoiler (click to show)[/b] ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:19 Above is what yours should read if you are indeed Starfleet ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:20 Well minus the human part ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:21 Plus. Need I really remind you that I don't trust 2 of C????[/quote] [hr] [/spoiler]

[quote]Message: Star Trek: Starfleet first contact group chat From: elysium5 To: ThickTalon, Tennesseelogman, 2ofclubs, Abs[/quote] Page 2 [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:14[/size] I will say here that part of the fun in moderating is seeing a game go down to the wire, which it still may very well do, but the other part of the fun in moderating is seeing a team come together very quickly and gain a huge advantage. It has become a common theme recently in some recent games to see a moderator try and balance the game in some fashion by changing the game dynamics on the fly but I do not think Tenn is trying to do that or will try to do that. The game is all about trust and distrust after all and ANYTHING can happen that could change the dynamic based on choices mad by all of the players. Letting a game play out with all the assumptions, accusations and teamwork is just as rewarding when putting a game together without forced interference just to see how players play, respond and react. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:15[/size] Clubs/Talon convo [spoiler]Message: THICK Star From: 2ofclubs To: ThickTalon, Tennesseelogman 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 14:42 I owe you. I am Federation Star Fleet non human with shields up next phase. That's shields not evil cloaking. ♧♧ ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:14 You don't owe me. I am not quite sure with this 3 rounds of kill silence here. I could be any of the species . The roles are very vague so telling me you are human does nothing for me, telling me you Federation Star Fleet however does give me an idea that you are probably not telling me everything. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:19 your most recent posts seem to suggest your "prime Objective" is borg ... not "hu.an" as you so like to place clues in all your posts. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:21 and to be honest.. regardless.....at this stage. It doesn't matter what you are as anyone can be recruited to join any faction. So we should use our game skills and join each other.....even if now we are not of the same faction. in other words......your assimilation of me may need to be 7 of 9'ed to the reverse order. 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:56 I am not Borg (no assimilation or assimilating) or a droid. I am a non human species member of Star Fleet. I have told you all accept my species. You can check off Vulcan, Klingon and Ramulon. I know this is not typical 2oc but trying different approach. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 19:01 again. I don't think it matters at this point who you are just that I need to survive through the first 3 rounds. i don't need any random shots fired at me. so if you have that ability, shoot elsewhere and maybe we can join each other on the other side of day 3. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 19:57 So I am starting to gather that there is not good or bad. Only survival. how shall the 2 of us survive? 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 21:24 I don't expect to survive. But going to hope for the best and 3 additional bars of kriptonite. LOL wrong series. I also believe there are more than 2 factions. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 15:06 Visiting hours in sick bay! Here is my share I have with another claimed star fleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 13:40 Ok i could have said Directive. The Prime Directive (officially Starfleet Order 1) is a prohibition on interference with the other cultures and civilizations representatives of Starfleet encounter in their exploration of the universe. The Q has similar Directive. Note; some species have abilities like Q, Betazoid etc YES I am star fleet but not human. I am not saying I have special ability. We may have 3 star fleet. I only have 3 PMs going. Really slow movement. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 15:36 Damn it Clubs........ Sick bay visitation hours are for those that don't manipulate the narrative:P I will say it again we should be on the same side regardless.....so if you are playing a game and pretending to be StarFleet or even if we are Klingons we need to be on the same side. garnering support from good players converting to the "good side" is my Prime Directive, on my own i might add. I have no special ability. only that I am not in the mood to kill people. but I can look into others roles. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:10 Ok I am NOT manipulating narrative. Betazoid should be the only one to look into others as a species ability. I have 1 other claiming Human Federation. Just cant find other starfleet of any species to band. With nothing to prove or dis prove claims. Worf (klingon) is Federation in next generation but klingons are bad in 1st generation. ? . Has anyone claim captain kirk to you (i know names werent assigned). With Hood and Anax not playing and Ten as mod. I am probably Ely, Ryo, Blue and Jkl primary target based on their past games and play. Mac is dangerous. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I got this PM from someone "So we could be in the same faction but we know we are not the same species. So I could be Captain Kirk and you could be Klingon or Vulcan? It would be cool if we were in the same faction!" I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made 2 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:59 well since you owe me, we need to have a gentleman's agreement that we will not attack each other and that we will not out each other to our factions. you and I are not on the same side. But again you can be if you convert to my faction, to which at this time I will not reveal. I do not feel you are being honest with your copy and paste above. No Death, only unity in thinking across the universe. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:20 I am being honest. You can not correct my Federation changes. I am willing to be converted. I won't/cant attck you. I wont out you for my team but will for my survival or later when game is at that stage. It could be interesting converting while having Fed inside info. Do you know others of your team? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:22 you are not Starfleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:32 Yes I am and have been confirmed with another who could correct my copy and paste. I don't know why you can't believe me. I told you straight up what my test were and intentions. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:35 The problem is you would need more than 2 corrections on your copy and paste for you to be Starfleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:49 I have 3 in there. Maybe 4 depending how you view it. My other Starfleet player caught them. So I know we are both star fleet federation. Are you only able to convert starfleet and reluctant on converting me? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:53 Federation is a larger group. Starfleet is just that Starfleet. So again I feel you and I are not of the same faction. however if you can turn over the other persons name I can start to piece together the rest of Starfleet. I cannot divulge yet on converting only trying to find those that are willing to stick it out. I stand by what I said. I have no reason or call to attack you in any fashion. I will stay out of your way, I am only here to survive and bring exploration to the uncharted corners of the universe. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:08 Yes I used the SF vs Federation as part of my test on confirming real Starfleet. I don't think it's a good idea to give up SF just like I can't give you up. I am not attacking you. I alsoget the sense you can't attack. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:53 Attack was not my request for ability. My ability if shared with others, only one can be performed per phase, so it will be random. If others have my ability 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 19:02 Don't waste your looking into role on me. Thats my 1st Olive branch. I suggest a quiet player like Ely or jkl or the always town guy LOL. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 01:36 So did you get anything with your first day ability? 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:00 Remember i am going for extra kryptonite bars. Plus we don't find out until D4 anyway. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:05 Well looks like we need to trust each other. I have the inspect ability. I tried to inspect E5 but too many other "Sherlock Holmes " decided to work yesterday so my inspection was blocked. E5 reached out as it seems he is trying to put together Starfleet and even if there is a mole they will be flushed out. I was inclined to cooperate so we exchanged roles from Tenn. Trust me yet? I can't believe I trust you:)[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:17[/size] Hoping we can work this out for an epic journey through Space and Time. Headed to the otherside of the pillow. Be back on in a few hours [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:21[/size] Ok, I believe clubs and Thick were just engaged in a classic hard to trust conversation but that we are in fact all on the same team. I think I will dump before going to bed instead of waiting until the morning so if anyone else is still up or up before me, the conversation can continue in a mutually beneficial manner. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:25[/size] I know I said I would wait before dumping for a comment from everyone but Abs has not been on and really I don't see how Abs could reject the idea. I think the real issue at hand has mostly been clubs and Thick's hesitance of trusting each other and I now believe a dump is the best and only way to move forward from here. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:32[/size] I am going to do a full info dump shortly as I would rather spend my couple available hours in the morning strategizing as opposed to questioning each other. Like I said, I have a busy 3 days coming on here. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:51[/size] I will preface this entry in the log by saying I might be making a MASSIVE mistake by doing this but I also believe the the very essence of Starfleet survival has always been taking a risk and making a leap in faith by following your instincts and that is how Starfleet will ultimately prevail and I am taking that leap of faith. [quote]Message: role assignment From: Tennesseelogman To: elysium5[/quote] [spoiler][b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 12:56[/size] role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 18:11[/size] Thanks for hosting! I ordered my questions to make them easier to Yes/No answer as I'm sure you are busy reading and writing already;) [b][u]Questions:[/u][/b] 1. [b]Must I purchase[/b] an ability? 2. If [b]#1 is [size=16px]Yes[/size] then; N/A.[/b] [b][u][i]If #1 is [size=16px]No[/size] then;[/i][/u][/b] If I don't purchase an ability or use an innate one for 3 days, I get 3 more bars for a total of 6? 3. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and do I also have the [b]original purchase banked?[/b] 4. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and does my[b][b] innate ability get banked[/b][/b](meaning I can now double up on my innate ability) [b]as well?[/b] 5. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to [b]banking purchased votes?[/b] 6. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to [b]activating a force field[/b] in any manner[b]*[/b] of the outlined options [b]but it was never actually needed?[/b] [b]*[/b]When activating the [i]automatically protect you the first time it is needed[/i] force field option, does it stay active indefinitely until needed/used or is there a time limit of any kind? [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 18:50[/size] [quote]Questions: 1. Must I purchase an ability? 2. If #1 is Yes then; N/A. If #1 is No then; If I don't purchase an ability or use an innate one for 3 days, I get 3 more bars for a total of 6? 3. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and do I also have the original purchase banked? 4. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and does my innate ability get banked(meaning I can now double up on my innate ability) as well? 5. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to banking purchased votes? 6. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to activating a force field in any manner* of the outlined options but it was never actually needed? *When activating the automatically protect you the first time it is needed force field option, does it stay active indefinitely until needed/used or is there a time limit of any kind? [/quote] 1 1st money can not be banked - so yes if you want one 2 n/a 3 the 2nd set if earned can be banked for later use 4 no banking of innate abilities - they are time specific 5 votes can be banked and used anytime 6 auto force field is used 1st time it is needed - if you choose 4 self called = you can use them anytime for the current phase/day ^ no time limit but you will have to decide if you want it to block all attacks or just those that would kill you. in other words - do you want it to auto block a mind probe, stun attempt, extra vote block, or force field against you. Also the auto force field will not count as using your ability in regards to earning an extra ability by not using an ability unless it is activated per your instructions. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 05:13[/size] I will purchase: [b]#D Take over the Ship[/b] [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 10:35[/size] acknowledged - 6 extra votes [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 22:01[/size] Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Bajoran Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 22:11[/size] Splendid. Now where did I put those [i]Tears of the Prophets[/i]? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:42[/size] I don't want to accidentally miss it so for now I will [b]#Lynch Abs[/b] To be clear, [b]I am NOT using my extra votes[/b] [i]at this time[/i]. Get it?[i] At this time?[/i] Because of [i]the time loop?[/i] Ha, I slay me :roll: [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:49[/size] I would like to: [b]#Unlynch Abs[/b] and change it to [b]#No Lynch[/b] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:30[/size] Do you want me to create a character name for you for storyline purposes or is this just a personal option to do for fun? [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:36[/size] just a personal option to do for fun i will not use any name you assign yourself [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:43[/size] Ok. I was torn between Ensign Ro and Major Kira but I guess a name doesn't really matter in the end. [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 01:49[/size] name yourself whatever you want - i will only give out faction unless there is a mind meld - and even then not names. you could be jabba the hut [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 04:02[/size] Just thought you might have wanted us to choose names for a narrative of your creation. Those 2 just happened to be my 2 favorite Bajorans. [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:54[/size] [quote]Message: Star Trek From: elysium5 To: Tennesseelogman, Rcomer727 [spoiler]elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:27 https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3788/star-trek-mafia/post/83566#post-83566 I feel ya. You really Starfleet? Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:50 Hmmmmm. Prove yourself! elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:55 You are the one who just claimed Starfleet. All I asked if you really are Starfleet. Rcomer727 said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:58 Oh haha, true true. I am indeed. What are you? elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:06 I am also Starfleet. elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:26 I just made this offer to another player who I think is Starfleet and I believe you are as well: elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:05 I'll tell you what. I hate proposals and deals and so on. I like facts but at the same time, quite often a lucky guess or connection can be the key to winning a game with this many players. I agree everyone is going to claim Starfleet. I am going to take a huge risk here but I am at a clear disadvantage to start this game and I just have a hunch you are actually Starfleet so I am going to gamble my own game right here and now to try and form an alliance off of a hunch that will either ruin me right away or pay off by getting a head start. I am Starfleet. Would you like to exchange Role PM's? I'll go first if you want to take the chance with me. The part I bolded is in response to the other player making this statement in our chat: I am but everyone is claiming Starfleet. I guess due to noone knowing what faction is town and it being the safe answer. The player has not responded to me yet. I have the same gut feeling about you. How do you feel about the same offer?[/spoiler][/quote] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:55[/size] [quote]Message: Star Trek From: Abs To: elysium5, Tennesseelogman [spoiler][b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] Hi Ely, so I am about to investigate you, should I not bother and you Can give me some info or shall I use it anyway? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I am starfleet and confirmed Human and already Part of a group of other confirmed town, I have heard you claim Starfleet but I want to hear it from you. If you don’t want to then I can investigate you anyway but seems a waste so either way I will know and if You truly are then you should tell me so I can use it on a better target [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:44[/size] I have 15 min to tell Ten to not use it [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:45[/size] If you are Starfleet, please do investigate me. We have to start somewhere. I put my vote on you. I guess I should take it off if you are indeed Starfleet. What better target? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] I am 100% starfleet and I just took my vote off you, I have a powerful ability though so don’t want to waste it in you if you genuinely are Starfleet [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:40 Ok so can I investigate Elysium please I also want to change my lynch vote from Ely to #nolynch [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:50[/size] Ok. [quote]elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:49 I would like to: #Unlynch Abs and change it to #No Lynch[/quote] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:52[/size] 2of clubs is messaging me at the same time as you and he just sent me something that doesn't jive with my own role PM. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:54[/size] Yes he did this to me and i Went back and told Him this isn’t the same and he Then came back and told Me what is different which was correct, I am inclined to think he is Starfleet He told me in our starfleet group we have created he was sending it to you I think he is one of the good guys this game [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] To what end? To try and catch me up or to cover his tracks? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:01[/size] No to try and verify If you are indeed a starfleet I assume [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:02[/size] From clubs 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:57 I gave Ely that the time stamp was wrong and asked him what els was wrong with Role PM. He came back with the 1st part is the same as his but 2nd is different. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:02[/size] Well, he could also be fishing to try and get someone to tell him exactly what a Starfleet Role PM is supposed to look like. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:03[/size] And clearly the timestamp was wrong. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:03[/size] I decided to investigate you anyway as your right, if I can then see you are indeed starfleet then I will know for sure. I have also told other confirmed Starfleeters I investigated you so if I end up dead, so will you [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:04[/size] Ok, well I am Starfleet so you won't end up dead because of me! [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] Let me know how you want to move forward once your investigation comes back. How will I be able to verify you? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:23[/size] I’m not sure tbh, but why would I investigate you if I was mafia and thought you were!? I’m clearly herding town in this game which is what we have to do. We will find a way to prove it, no issues [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:26[/size] Well it didn’t work anyway haha! I don’t know what the hell happened here! Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:26[/size] I have been talking to you and 2of clubs literally back and forth and clearly you both are exchanging notes on our discussion. You seem to be playing it straight forward but 2ofclubs, not so much. I assume you got the verification you need though? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:27[/size] Seriously? [quote]Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use.[/quote] grrr... [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:30[/size] Well no I didn’t get anything hence the message above! Why was my inspection blocked!? What a useless ability haha! Clubs is still a little on my suspicious list, I am telling him I am applying pressure on you and seeing How he reacts and so Far he seems to think you are playing starfleet but are not and i Don’t know why. He said a certain part of his copy and paste Of his role PM that I called out on, you have now done which is making his suspicious If you can tell me now which part this is, I can 100% believe you. Take a look at your role PM, on the first line what word has Clubs added or removed in his message that isn’t in your original PM? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:31[/size] You have not* done, not meant to say now [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:31[/size] [quote]Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:30 Well no I didn’t get anything hence the message above! Why was my inspection blocked!? What a useless ability haha![/quote] I posted that at the same time you were sending that non-verification message to me. I didn't see it until after I hit send with my question about verification. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:33[/size] Ten just told me it didn’t go through as he didn’t want a blitz of investigations in day 1 and wants everyone to play the “cop” role at least once to share the fun. Therefore only 1 investigation can go through per day [hr] [/spoiler][/quote] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:56[/size] continued: [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:34[/size] I looked again and I see it now. He also added in the word Federation in the first sentence. I hate sifting through clubs babble. I will send you all of my PM with him. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:35[/size] Here you go. Nothing changed or edited: [spoiler][b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] The talk is you are claiming Starfleet. What's wrong with the following? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:55 Xxxxxxx 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made at least 3 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. I have 1 other Starfleet and 1 non Starfleet claim Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 21:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I'm Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Is this the same PM you got from Ten except for time stamp? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:51[/size] The first part yes but not the second. Hmmm... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] I know 2nd part is not. What's wrong with the 2nd part. I know I am starfleet and have hard claimed it it Thread & PMs. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:57[/size] We will start with the XXX's being on the wrong side of the win condition. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:58[/size] Correct and.......?? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:59[/size] the wording is backward [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:05[/size] Yes I basically reversed the win clause and put in xxxx. One more answer needed to clear you as starfleet. Others have passed this with ease. Your reluctance is suspicious. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:06[/size] What test? Maybe I am misunderstanding what specifically it is you are looking for me to verify. Your fishing without providing me anything is suspicious and I have lied about nothing. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:10[/size] Your win condition is XXXXXXX Is that want you want to know? Now you have the Starfleet role PM. Makes you a good spy, doesn't it? [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] I gave you the Start Fleet Frederation role with a few changes from Tens PM becuase you claim SF. You Re reluctant to correct or state what was changed. You could assume the reversing of win clause based on your non SF PM from ten. I am not fishing. I have my info. I am verifying your claim. I will waste an inspect to be 100% sure but prefer not to. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:16[/size] Abs said he was going to inspect me but is now not online... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:18[/size] I am not a spy and 75% sure you are not Star Fleet Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:19[/size] Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:21[/size] I told you that about Abs because Abs said the 2 of you were discussing my claim. I am 100 percent Starfleet. Do you think Abs is Starfleet like he claims he is? If Abs is, and actually did inspect me like he said he would then that should verify me. [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:38[/size] Full disclosure. I just added this to the clubs message: [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:37[/size] Now I see what you are referring to. Drop the word Federation. [hr][/spoiler] [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:58[/size] Message: Ely Startrek From: 2ofclubs To: elysium5, Tennesseelogman [spoiler][b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:41[/size] The talk is you are claiming Starfleet. What's wrong with the following? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:55 Xxxxxxx 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made at least 3 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. I have 1 other Starfleet and 1 non Starfleet claim Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 21:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:43[/size] I'm Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:46[/size] Is this the same PM you got from Ten except for time stamp? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:51[/size] The first part yes but not the second. Hmmm... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:55[/size] I know 2nd part is not. What's wrong with the 2nd part. I know I am starfleet and have hard claimed it it Thread & PMs. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:57[/size] We will start with the XXX's being on the wrong side of the win condition. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:58[/size] Correct and.......?? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:59[/size] the wording is backward [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:00[/size] not backward but mixed up a little. The second part. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:05[/size] Yes I basically reversed the win clause and put in xxxx. One more answer needed to clear you as starfleet. Others have passed this with ease. Your reluctance is suspicious. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:06[/size] What test? Maybe I am misunderstanding what specifically it is you are looking for me to verify. Your fishing without providing me anything is suspicious and I have lied about nothing. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:10[/size] Your win condition is XXXXXXX Is that want you want to know? Now you have the Starfleet role PM. Makes you a good spy, doesn't it? [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:15[/size] I gave you the Start Fleet Frederation role with a few changes from Tens PM becuase you claim SF. You Re reluctant to correct or state what was changed. You could assume the reversing of win clause based on your non SF PM from ten. I am not fishing. I have my info. I am verifying your claim. I will waste an inspect to be 100% sure but prefer not to. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:16[/size] Abs said he was going to inspect me but is now not online... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:18[/size] I am not a spy and 75% sure you are not Star Fleet Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:19[/size] Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:21[/size] I told you that about Abs because Abs said the 2 of you were discussing my claim. I am 100 percent Starfleet. Do you think Abs is Starfleet like he claims he is? If Abs is, and actually did inspect me like he said he would then that should verify me. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:37[/size] Now I see what you are referring to. Drop the word Federation. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:42[/size] Ok he did inspect you but something went wrong so you weren't verified. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:44[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:42 Ok he did inspect you but something went wrong so you weren't verified.[/quote] That's what Abs told me as well. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:48[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:19 Why would you tell me that about Abs? So I don't inspe CT Fishing Deflecting[/quote] You think I was trying to deflect you from inspecting me? Nope. I am hoping someone does and that said someone is Starfleet so we can get this game going our way sooner rather than later. I also didn't realize you also can inspect? Is that what you were implying? I am not fishing and I am not deflecting and everything I have said is the absolute truth. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:51[/size] That was a lot of work. How about I tell you I can't kill and looking for a SF with a phaser. What do you have a Thick Ryo and Blue. Abs came right back with the role differences and challenged me to. So pretty sure Abs is Starfleet. The others are being quarantined (mole protection). [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 22:58[/size] I can not inspect. I believe we have 4 verified Starfleets, 1 unverified and 1 not Starfleet. I have to focus on work. Work it out with Abs on we proceed. Lastly I am not pulling any trickery this game. No false role claim. Abs knows I have been approached about converting/deflecting to other faction. He can add more to that subject. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:06[/size] Ok. Straight up, I am Starfleet. I have only talked to you, Abs, and started basic conversations with Rcomer727 and ThickTalon. I reached out to them both as I felt based on some comments they each made in the forums made me feel like they were Starfleet as well. I was rolling the dice on making an early connection with other Starfleet as I have no innate ability and I did not purchase an investigative ability. [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:59[/size] You can trust me this game!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100% Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Vorta Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 05:59[/size] continued: [spoiler][b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:12[/size] Straight up - I am non human Starfleet with only the non kill ability I bought. I have been in coms with the same folks. I have a gent agreement with one so I can say. Abs probably can for me . There is 1 other SF claim out there but we are doing mole protection. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:18[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:51 That was a lot of work. How about I tell you I can't kill and[b] looking for a SF with a phaser.[/b] What do you have a Thick Ryo and Blue.[/quote] Unfortunately I do not have a phaser so I can not help you there. I am also a non-human but I fail to see how my species factors into my role as it came with no innate abilities, just a plain old Your faction is Starfleet and your species is XXX Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:28[/size] Ditto are you a Vorta? I other SF is a vorta. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:30[/size] Let me know what Abs tells you about what I can't share. Sometimes truces on hindering. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:32[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:28 Ditto are you a Vorta? I other SF is a vorta.[/quote] Nope, not Vorta. The only value I can see in holding back info on the species is to be able to use it to verify an actual inspection was done? I'm not sure it is worth the hassle of keeping it a secret though from you or Abs though at this point seeing how I have put my trust in both by revealing so much already. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:33[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:30 Let me know what Abs tells you about what I can't share. Sometimes truces on hindering.[/quote] I have no truces. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:48[/size] Abs hasn't been online for a bit and I haven't been talking to anyone else so now I am stir crazy! [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:49[/size] I have just 1 and I shouldn't of made it. 1 - Madagascarter Susp 2 - ABS. SF 3 - Rockbert sus 4 - ThickTalon. Sus 5 - Rcomer727. SF 6 - 2ofclubs. SF 7 - jkl3699. sus 8 - MacEohaid sf? 9 - notoriouspat SF? 10 - KC321 sf? 11 - pygmyhippo277 not active 12 - Ryomyr not active 13 - Bluegoetz not active 14 - DreamStreet not active 15 - elysium5. SF [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 23:51[/size] Get a Trible they are no trouble or got to the halo deck. Don't for get thier is the hole dead and float for the game with 20 word messages. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:00[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:51 Get a Trible they are no trouble or got to the halo deck. Don't for get thier is the hole dead and float for the game with 20 word messages.[/quote] Sorry but I have no idea what this means other than the latter part that the dead can offer limited messages. No idea what you are referencing with the Trible talk. Are you trying to tell me something in code because of your agreement? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:08[/size] Why do you suspect Thick? I put this out to both Thick and Rcomer but they both were not online when I sent the offer. Thick has just come back online and wants to do it. [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 06:23[/size] Are you trying to send a message in this post: https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3788/star-trek-mafia/post/83546#post-83546 ? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 07:02[/size] To anyone who will listen [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:47[/size] You are Starfleet, then? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:53[/size] I am but everyone is claiming Starfleet. I guess due to noone knowing what faction is town and it being the safe answer. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:05[/size] I'll tell you what. I hate proposals and deals and so on. I like facts but at the same time, quite often a lucky guess or connection can be the key to winning a game with this many players. I agree everyone is going to claim Starfleet. I am going to take a huge risk here but I am at a clear disadvantage to start this game and I just have a hunch you are actually Starfleet so I am going to gamble my own game right here and now to try and form an alliance off of a hunch that will either ruin me right away or pay off by getting a head start. I am Starfleet. Would you like to exchange Role PM's? I'll go first if you want to take the chance with me. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:05[/size] Ok. Let's do it. I am Starfleet, human. Can we copy and past roles? I am lazy to go back and look....haha [hr][/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:32[/size] Triple r fury creature from 1st gen trek. No clue. As for Thick, I take the 5th and that's why I said talk to Abs. As starfleet I will say set phasers to kill and don't disclose. Fleet has Directive to follow others dont. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:35[/size] Well, this is what Thick just sent me: [spoiler]ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:15 Spoiler (click to hide) Message: role assignment From: Tennesseelogman To: ThickTalon Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:51 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 00:13 the mafia game is about to start - can you go ahead and pick your ability? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:05 I would like to inspect Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:07 acknowledged - do you want 2 investigations of faction or 1 mind meld? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:13 Tough one.....I think I will go with the 2 investigations. Temporal Investigations Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:15 done ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:25 Sorry for my tardiness. Been a busy Labor Day weekend. Thanks for reminding me Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:04 At this time #NO LYNCH ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 Inspect E5 ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 can I use both of my inspections in one day phase or do i have to wait? Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:15 vote and inspection request noted only 1 inspection per day from the entire group - if there is more than 1 inspection request = a random drawing will be held to see who's request is granted and the others will have to wait until a later day ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:18 thank you. I can be referred to hence forth as Kirok. in the case you need to reference me:P Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:02 your attempt to probe the mind of ely failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:03 Kirok understands reluctantly[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:06[/size] Then why did he try and recruite both Abs and me. Also said we weren't same faction when I clearly said I was Starfleet and sent him the same reversed role question. He clearly didn't attempt to solve and went straight into converting was the word I think he was using. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:15[/size] I think Thick was being cagey with you on purpose. I think if we all share everything it would clear a lot of that up. Thick is willing to discuss dissolving your agreement with each other for the sake of getting this going into high gear if you agree as well. I just said this to Think and I'm now saying it to you and I believe we could swing a huge advantage here: This: [quote]What I'd like is to air out ALL of our laundry so the 4 of us could start a really early really strong position for Starfleet. If we do and one of them is in act a mole I don't think they would be able to hide it from the rest of us for long.[/quote] and later this: [quote]Either we trust each other or we don't but if we do not disclose all we could die without accomplishing anything. I feel holding back information is what actually leads to a team loss. Be truthful and the liars get flushed out pretty fast.[/quote] I can't believe I trust you! ;) [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:24[/size] Those highlighted messages are my responses to Thick not wanting to violate your agreement and just send me the whole PM with you. Thick is honoring your agreement but I think you should both drop it so we can just get it done and sort this out quickly. 4 of us could really be a force to reckon with and if one of us is lying, I believe they won't be able to hide for long. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:30[/size] I just reiterated what I amto Thick. Ok I will add all I know to you Abs & Ely = Starfleet Rcom & Notor likely SF We already know AbS & Thick can probe. I think Notor can probe. Nobody has kill that I know of. Rcom might. I have 4 shields. Mada Ryo Blue Jkl are highly suspicious. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 02:35[/size] [quote]2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:06 Then why did he try and recruite both Abs and me. Also said we weren't same faction when I clearly said I was Starfleet and sent him the same reversed role question. He clearly didn't attempt to solve and went straight into converting was the word I think he was using.[/quote] That is why I say if we all share all of our messages we can root out any issues right now. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:08[/size] Part 1 [spoiler]2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 14:42 I owe you. I am Federation Star Fleet non human with shields up next phase. That's shields not evil cloaking. ♧♧ ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:14 You don't owe me. I am not quite sure with this 3 rounds of kill silence here. I could be any of the species . The roles are very vague so telling me you are human does nothing for me, telling me you Federation Star Fleet however does give me an idea that you are probably not telling me everything. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:19 your most recent posts seem to suggest your "prime Objective" is borg ... not "hu.an" as you so like to place clues in all your posts. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:21 and to be honest.. regardless.....at this stage. It doesn't matter what you are as anyone can be recruited to join any faction. So we should use our game skills and join each other.....even if now we are not of the same faction. in other words......your assimilation of me may need to be 7 of 9'ed to the reverse order. 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 18:56 I am not Borg (no assimilation or assimilating) or a droid. I am a non human species member of Star Fleet. I have told you all accept my species. You can check off Vulcan, Klingon and Ramulon. I know this is not typical 2oc but trying different approach. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 19:01 again. I don't think it matters at this point who you are just that I need to survive through the first 3 rounds. i don't need any random shots fired at me. so if you have that ability, shoot elsewhere and maybe we can join each other on the other side of day 3. ThickTalon said: 06 Sep 2022, 19:57 So I am starting to gather that there is not good or bad. Only survival. how shall the 2 of us survive? 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 21:24 I don't expect to survive. But going to hope for the best and 3 additional bars of kriptonite. LOL wrong series. I also believe there are more than 2 factions. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 15:06 Visiting hours in sick bay! Here is my share I have with another claimed star fleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 13:40 Ok i could have said Directive. The Prime Directive (officially Starfleet Order 1) is a prohibition on interference with the other cultures and civilizations representatives of Starfleet encounter in their exploration of the universe. The Q has similar Directive. Note; some species have abilities like Q, Betazoid etc YES I am star fleet but not human. I am not saying I have special ability. We may have 3 star fleet. I only have 3 PMs going. Really slow movement. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 15:36 Damn it Clubs........ Sick bay visitation hours are for those that don't manipulate the narrative:P I will say it again we should be on the same side regardless.....so if you are playing a game and pretending to be StarFleet or even if we are Klingons we need to be on the same side. garnering support from good players converting to the "good side" is my Prime Directive, on my own i might add. I have no special ability. only that I am not in the mood to kill people. but I can look into others roles. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:10 Ok I am NOT manipulating narrative. Betazoid should be the only one to look into others as a species ability. I have 1 other claiming Human Federation. Just cant find other starfleet of any species to band. With nothing to prove or dis prove claims. Worf (klingon) is Federation in next generation but klingons are bad in 1st generation. ? . Has anyone claim captain kirk to you (i know names werent assigned). With Hood and Anax not playing and Ten as mod. I am probably Ely, Ryo, Blue and Jkl primary target based on their past games and play. Mac is dangerous. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:35 I got this PM from someone "So we could be in the same faction but we know we are not the same species. So I could be Captain Kirk and you could be Klingon or Vulcan? It would be cool if we were in the same faction!" I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made 2 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:59 [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:09[/size] Part 2 [spoiler] ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:59 well since you owe me, we need to have a gentleman's agreement that we will not attack each other and that we will not out each other to our factions. you and I are not on the same side. But again you can be if you convert to my faction, to which at this time I will not reveal. I do not feel you are being honest with your copy and paste above. No Death, only unity in thinking across the universe. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:20 I am being honest. You can not correct my Federation changes. I am willing to be converted. I won't/cant attck you. I wont out you for my team but will for my survival or later when game is at that stage. It could be interesting converting while having Fed inside info. Do you know others of your team? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:22 you are not Starfleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:32 Yes I am and have been confirmed with another who could correct my copy and paste. I don't know why you can't believe me. I told you straight up what my test were and intentions. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:35 The problem is you would need more than 2 corrections on your copy and paste for you to be Starfleet. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:49 I have 3 in there. Maybe 4 depending how you view it. My other Starfleet player caught them. So I know we are both star fleet federation. Are you only able to convert starfleet and reluctant on converting me? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:53 Federation is a larger group. Starfleet is just that Starfleet. So again I feel you and I are not of the same faction. however if you can turn over the other persons name I can start to piece together the rest of Starfleet. I cannot divulge yet on converting only trying to find those that are willing to stick it out. I stand by what I said. I have no reason or call to attack you in any fashion. I will stay out of your way, I am only here to survive and bring exploration to the uncharted corners of the universe. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:08 Yes I used the SF vs Federation as part of my test on confirming real Starfleet. I don't think it's a good idea to give up SF just like I can't give you up. I am not attacking you. I alsoget the sense you can't attack. ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:53 Attack was not my request for ability. My ability if shared with others, only one can be performed per phase, so it will be random. If others have my ability 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 19:02 Don't waste your looking into role on me. Thats my 1st Olive branch. I suggest a quiet player like Ely or jkl or the always town guy LOL. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 01:36 So did you get anything with your first day ability? 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:00 Remember i am going for extra kryptonite bars. Plus we don't find out until D4 anyway. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:05 Well looks like we need to trust each other. I have the inspect ability. I tried to inspect E5 but too many other "Sherlock Holmes " decided to work yesterday so my inspection was blocked. E5 reached out as it seems he is trying to put together Starfleet and even if there is a mole they will be flushed out. I was inclined to cooperate so we exchanged roles from Tenn. Trust me yet? I can't believe I trust you:) [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 03:22[/size] Ok, I think you and Thick should be on the same page but you are just not connecting. I was about to start a group chat while you were typing this and after reading it I think it is more important than ever to just get this all sorted as soon as possible. Sending it out in a sec. [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 06:00[/size] Message: Star Trek From: elysium5 To: ThickTalon, Tennesseelogman [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 06:23[/size] Are you trying to send a message in this post: https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3788/star-trek-mafia/post/83546#post-83546 ? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 07:02[/size] To anyone who will listen [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:47[/size] You are Starfleet, then? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 20:53[/size] I am but everyone is claiming Starfleet. I guess due to noone knowing what faction is town and it being the safe answer. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:05[/size] I'll tell you what. I hate proposals and deals and so on. I like facts but at the same time, quite often a lucky guess or connection can be the key to winning a game with this many players. I agree everyone is going to claim Starfleet. I am going to take a huge risk here but I am at a clear disadvantage to start this game and I just have a hunch you are actually Starfleet so I am going to gamble my own game right here and now to try and form an alliance off of a hunch that will either ruin me right away or pay off by getting a head start. I am Starfleet. Would you like to exchange Role PM's? I'll go first if you want to take the chance with me. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:05[/size] Ok. Let's do it. I am Starfleet, human. Can we copy and past roles? I am lazy to go back and look....haha [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:10[/size] Yes we can copy and paste roles. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:13[/size] Ready? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:14[/size] How about I go all in and give you my whole conversation thus far with Tenn. Way out on A limb here but at least I will have 3 days of Star Trek talk in the main. Forum.....and we always have the 20 words to out each other if one is lying [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:15[/size] Sure. I will reciprocate. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:15[/size] [spoiler]Message: role assignment From: Tennesseelogman To: ThickTalon Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:51 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 00:13 the mafia game is about to start - can you go ahead and pick your ability? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:05 I would like to inspect Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:07 acknowledged - do you want 2 investigations of faction or 1 mind meld? ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:13 Tough one.....I think I will go with the 2 investigations. Temporal Investigations Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:15 done ThickTalon said: 05 Sep 2022, 01:25 Sorry for my tardiness. Been a busy Labor Day weekend. Thanks for reminding me Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:04 At this time #NO LYNCH ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 Inspect E5 ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:05 can I use both of my inspections in one day phase or do i have to wait? Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:15 vote and inspection request noted only 1 inspection per day from the entire group - if there is more than 1 inspection request = a random drawing will be held to see who's request is granted and the others will have to wait until a later day ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:18 thank you. I can be referred to hence forth as Kirok. in the case you need to reference me:P Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:02 your attempt to probe the mind of ely failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. ThickTalon said: 08 Sep 2022, 00:03 Kirok understands reluctantly[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:16[/size] [spoiler][b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 12:56[/size] role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 18:11[/size] Thanks for hosting! I ordered my questions to make them easier to Yes/No answer as I'm sure you are busy reading and writing already;) [b][u]Questions:[/u][/b] 1. [b]Must I purchase[/b] an ability? 2. If [b]#1 is [size=16px]Yes[/size] then; N/A.[/b] [b][u][i]If #1 is [size=16px]No[/size] then;[/i][/u][/b] If I don't purchase an ability or use an innate one for 3 days, I get 3 more bars for a total of 6? 3. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and do I also have the [b]original purchase banked?[/b] 4. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and does my[b][b] innate ability get banked[/b][/b](meaning I can now double up on my innate ability) [b]as well?[/b] 5. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to [b]banking purchased votes?[/b] 6. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to [b]activating a force field[/b] in any manner[b]*[/b] of the outlined options [b]but it was never actually needed?[/b] [b]*[/b]When activating the [i]automatically protect you the first time it is needed[/i] force field option, does it stay active indefinitely until needed/used or is there a time limit of any kind? [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]04 Sep 2022, 18:50[/size] [quote]Questions: 1. Must I purchase an ability? 2. If #1 is Yes then; N/A. If #1 is No then; If I don't purchase an ability or use an innate one for 3 days, I get 3 more bars for a total of 6? 3. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and do I also have the original purchase banked? 4. If I do purchase an ability but don't use any for 3 days, I get 3 more bars and does my innate ability get banked(meaning I can now double up on my innate ability) as well? 5. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to banking purchased votes? 6. In the case of #3 being a yes, does that also apply to activating a force field in any manner* of the outlined options but it was never actually needed? *When activating the automatically protect you the first time it is needed force field option, does it stay active indefinitely until needed/used or is there a time limit of any kind? [/quote] 1 1st money can not be banked - so yes if you want one 2 n/a 3 the 2nd set if earned can be banked for later use 4 no banking of innate abilities - they are time specific 5 votes can be banked and used anytime 6 auto force field is used 1st time it is needed - if you choose 4 self called = you can use them anytime for the current phase/day ^ no time limit but you will have to decide if you want it to block all attacks or just those that would kill you. in other words - do you want it to auto block a mind probe, stun attempt, extra vote block, or force field against you. Also the auto force field will not count as using your ability in regards to earning an extra ability by not using an ability unless it is activated per your instructions. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 05:13[/size] I will purchase: [b]#D Take over the Ship[/b] [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 10:35[/size] acknowledged - 6 extra votes [hr] [b][user]Tennesseelogman[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 22:01[/size] Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Bajoran Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]05 Sep 2022, 22:11[/size] Splendid. Now where did I put those [i]Tears of the Prophets[/i]? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:42[/size] I don't want to accidentally miss it so for now I will [b]#Lynch Abs[/b] To be clear, [b]I am NOT using my extra votes[/b] [i]at this time[/i]. Get it?[i] At this time?[/i] Because of [i]the time loop?[/i] Ha, I slay me :roll: [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]07 Sep 2022, 21:49[/size] I would like to: [b]#Unlynch Abs[/b] and change it to [b]#No Lynch[/b] [hr] [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:18[/size] Have you been in communication with anyone else? [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:20[/size] Yes. Clubs and Abs, both claim Starfleet. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:21[/size] Guess I lucked out on my inspection of you. LOL. [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:23[/size] And Rock as well. But only an introduction....nothing more which is odd [hr] [b][user]ThickTalon[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:24[/size] You? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 00:24[/size] I put out the same feeler/proposal to Rcomer727 but they haven'

[quote]Message: Star Trek: Starfleet first contact group chat From: elysium5 To: ThickTalon, Tennesseelogman, 2ofclubs, Abs[/quote] Page 3 [spoiler][b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 15:33[/size] All players must dump all PM's including role PM's so they can all be compared to each other so we can see if they all match and if anyone might be trying to hold something back. I don't have much time before I am gone for the day... [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 15:43[/size] Do you want new PMs or relevant ones? Here is my only new one. You can see I am pulling for info. Again I am 100% ligit and as hard/illogical it is to trust me, you can put the emotions aside '2nd in command Spock" [spoiler] 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 23:06 It looks like Ely is Starfleet after all. Did you tell hime anything about my rolee test?But stillbe careful. Rcomer727 said: 08 Sep 2022, 14:55 No I was waiting for you. I cannot kill but can definitely lynch. 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 15:15 I believe you are SF as I. Assuming you have inspect did you inspect someone? I know of 5 w/ inspect abilities. I know none wth a kill. Back to inspect, I have Tennessee input on that ability. So be straight with me and we can warp forward. Ely was resistant thinking I was spying mafia trying to figure out towns role and win clause not that I have it and searching for team [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 15:46[/size] I want everything shared. Everything. If not, then there can be no trust. Whomever doesn't share everything will become a prime suspect. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 15:55[/size] Agree I had 2 more Rcom PMs. He has +6 vote ability. I don't want to clutter group with onezy pm reports vs conversation but will. [spoiler] 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 15:15 I believe you are SF as I. Assuming you have inspect did you inspect someone? I know of 5 w/ inspect abilities. I know none wth a kill. Back to inspect, I have Tennessee input on that ability. So be straight with me and we can warp forward. Ely was resistant thinking I was spying mafia trying to figure out towns role and win clause not that I have it and searching for team. Rcomer727 said: 08 Sep 2022, 15:43 Ah gotcha. I have the 6 lynch vote skill, no ability otherwise Rcomer727 said: 08 Sep 2022, 15:49 What are your thoughts on ely at this point? I got more messages from them but want to coordinate before I respond 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 15:51 With that skill it will be easy to overthrow a no vote win. Good to know. TBH I am in a verified (3 player) starfleet group and we are debating on including you. It's not our priority right now. But it's on the table. We are circling the fleet and taking inventory. My last thread post is where I am at on suspects but others haven't been online. The current flag ship is busy today so we are not in warp mode but we are ready. [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 15:58[/size] Here is convo with NotPat: [spoiler]notoriouspat said: 07 Sep 2022, 12:15 So we meet again! You have a grasp on who the mafia team actually is? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 12:32 absolutely no idea! I was just trying to think how we find people in our own faction. It seems that you can be diffeernt species but also same faction. I am a Human, happy to share this notoriouspat said: 07 Sep 2022, 13:50 Happy to also share that I am 1/2 human lol.. My species is Klingon. So I'd like to say that the winner of this game will get be the ones who get a head start and band together. Here is my proposal. I will disclose my faction to you. If we are the same, then great, a heads start. If we are not, then we go our separate ways BUT I vow to never write your name in a vote (unless you'd ask me to), never disclose your faction, it's basically like we've never spoke. As far as everyone else's concerned, "Abs would be a ??? for noto". What are your thoughts. As TLM as my witness, I have not offered this to anyone but liked how we worked together last game so the choice is yours. lol Let me know. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:03 Yes I am good to go with this, I think its the only way we will get ahead if we do that. that is if you are telling me the truth... notoriouspat said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:00 Abs, you have my word. Directly from TLM: "Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Klingon" Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:02 ok fantastic then, directly from TLM: Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction FYI if you turn out to be lying, I wont be able to trust you agin ;) But for now, it appears we are team mates! notoriouspat said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:05 Well that worked out nicely! For any proof for you to trust me: Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 10:00 pm Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Klingon Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction And I purchased the investigation and searched KC321 the first night Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:07 ok I have mind meld, what was KC321? notoriouspat said: 07 Sep 2022, 19:17 Ok so just hear me out. I trust you and will disclose what I find. I do have a hard time fully believing 2ofc because of the past few games. He didn't do anything for me to not trust, but on the deception spectrum, he's up there. And by that, I mean he's really good at this game. I have a hard time doing so myself. I like our three way chat and will fully participate, but you know he's got 10 other chats and I hope he can not trade our information for gain on his end only. Just something to think about Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 19:22 Ok that’s a fair point but he also sent me his role PM and it Seems to me he is part of the federation. But one of the reasons I brought him in is to see how he acts in our group and how much info he brings as if he doesn’t bring much or give much it’s not a real Clubs being town as he usually goes all out notoriouspat said: 07 Sep 2022, 20:26 sounds good! Let's see what he brings. Abs said: 08 Sep 2022, 12:23 Hi Pat, did your investigation go through on KC? MIne got blocked as apaprently only 1 can go through at a time each phase and I imgaine its whoever asked first? notoriouspat said: 08 Sep 2022, 14:19 I think it got blocked because the subject used a forcefield. Mine did not go through as well[/spoiler] Here is convo with Ely: [spoiler]Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:41 Hi Ely, so I am about to investigate you, should I not bother and you Can give me some info or shall I use it anyway? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:43 I am starfleet and confirmed Human and already Part of a group of other confirmed town, I have heard you claim Starfleet but I want to hear it from you. If you don’t want to then I can investigate you anyway but seems a waste so either way I will know and if You truly are then you should tell me so I can use it on a better target Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:44 I have 15 min to tell Ten to not use it elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:45 If you are Starfleet, please do investigate me. We have to start somewhere. I put my vote on you. I guess I should take it off if you are indeed Starfleet. What better target? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:46 I am 100% starfleet and I just took my vote off you, I have a powerful ability though so don’t want to waste it in you if you genuinely are Starfleet Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:46 Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:40 Ok so can I investigate Elysium please I also want to change my lynch vote from Ely to #nolynch elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:50 Ok. elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:49 I would like to: #Unlynch Abs and change it to #No Lynch elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:52 2of clubs is messaging me at the same time as you and he just sent me something that doesn't jive with my own role PM. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:54 Yes he did this to me and i Went back and told Him this isn’t the same and he Then came back and told Me what is different which was correct, I am inclined to think he is Starfleet He told me in our starfleet group we have created he was sending it to you I think he is one of the good guys this game elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:55 To what end? To try and catch me up or to cover his tracks? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:01 No to try and verify If you are indeed a starfleet I assume Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:02 From clubs 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:57 I gave Ely that the time stamp was wrong and asked him what els was wrong with Role PM. He came back with the 1st part is the same as his but 2nd is different. elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:02 Well, he could also be fishing to try and get someone to tell him exactly what a Starfleet Role PM is supposed to look like. elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:03 And clearly the timestamp was wrong. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:03 I decided to investigate you anyway as your right, if I can then see you are indeed starfleet then I will know for sure. I have also told other confirmed Starfleeters I investigated you so if I end up dead, so will you elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:04 Ok, well I am Starfleet so you won't end up dead because of me! elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:15 Let me know how you want to move forward once your investigation comes back. How will I be able to verify you? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:23 I’m not sure tbh, but why would I investigate you if I was mafia and thought you were!? I’m clearly herding town in this game which is what we have to do. We will find a way to prove it, no issues Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:26 Well it didn’t work anyway haha! I don’t know what the hell happened here! Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:26 I have been talking to you and 2of clubs literally back and forth and clearly you both are exchanging notes on our discussion. You seem to be playing it straight forward but 2ofclubs, not so much. I assume you got the verification you need though? elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:27 Seriously? Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. grrr... Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:30 Well no I didn’t get anything hence the message above! Why was my inspection blocked!? What a useless ability haha! Clubs is still a little on my suspicious list, I am telling him I am applying pressure on you and seeing How he reacts and so Far he seems to think you are playing starfleet but are not and i Don’t know why. He said a certain part of his copy and paste Of his role PM that I called out on, you have now done which is making his suspicious If you can tell me now which part this is, I can 100% believe you. Take a look at your role PM, on the first line what word has Clubs added or removed in his message that isn’t in your original PM? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:31 You have not* done, not meant to say now elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:31 Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:30 Well no I didn’t get anything hence the message above! Why was my inspection blocked!? What a useless ability haha! I posted that at the same time you were sending that non-verification message to me. I didn't see it until after I hit send with my question about verification. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:33 Ten just told me it didn’t go through as he didn’t want a blitz of investigations in day 1 and wants everyone to play the “cop” role at least once to share the fun. Therefore only 1 investigation can go through per day elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:34 I looked again and I see it now. He also added in the word Federation in the first sentence. I hate sifting through clubs babble. I will send you all of my PM with him. elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:35 Here you go. Nothing changed or edited: Spoiler (click to show) elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:38 Full disclosure. I just added this to the clubs message:[/spoiler] Convo with Clubs: [spoiler]Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:05 Holding his nerve of is indeed Starfleet FYI he is suspicious of you….hmmm elysium5 said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:04 Ok, well I am Starfleet so you won't end up dead because of me! 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 He has what I would say as assumed the SF Role/win variance based on his non SF role. He has commented at all on the Federation add on. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:27 Tennesseelogman said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:08 your attempt to inspect elysium failed because the sensors were not able to register due to an overload in the power grid = too many inspection request. therefore that ability is unused and available for future use. Wtf is this! 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:40 Idk sounds fishy on top of fishy. I will send you my pms with him shortly. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:46 Abs said: 06 Sep 2022, 11:58 Hi Clubs, Shall we find out early if we are part of the same team or not? I am keen to work out what we are playing against and how many factions. I am happy to reveal I am Human 2ofclubs said: 06 Sep 2022, 14:01 You are the only one to reach out to me so far. I haven't reached out or read forum. Assume D0 has been confirmed. I amgoing to play different as much as possible. I am not human and have a prime objective. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 11:17 When you say Prime obejctive, you mean your win clause? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 11:19 So we could be in the same faction but we know we are not the same species. So I could be Captain Kirk and you could be Klingon or Vulcan? It would be cool if we were in the same faction! 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 13:40 Ok i could have said Directive. The Prime Directive (officially Starfleet Order 1) is a prohibition on interference with the other cultures and civilizations representatives of Starfleet encounter in their exploration of the universe. The Q has similar Directive. Note; some species have abilities like Q, Betazoid etc YES I am star fleet but not human. I am not saying I have special ability. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 16:40 I will 110% HARD Claim Federation. Besides the xxxx out I made 3 changes. If you can correct or tell me what they are we can move forward as same faction or even as differing factions collaborating. Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 12:52 role assignments coming out after you purchase your ability 2ofclubs said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:36 xxxxx Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 13:41 acknowledged Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 21:00 Your faction is Star Fleet Federation and your species is XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is your win condition. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:06 ok so mine is very different to this which makes me nervous. The same content but worded in a differnt order. I am also star fleet but no mention of "federation". Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Where do we go from here? I am thinking maybe we are both Starfleet but Ten decided to just add federation into yours? What I dont understand is he has revered how he has told me my win condition Vs yours? Ten, are you purposely not copy and pasting the same order? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:18 From Google: What's the difference between the Federation and Starfleet? IOW, "the Federation" is the political entity, and "Starfleet" is the military organization that operates under the auspices of "the Federation".13 Nov 2020 Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:21 ok this clears it up in teh initial description, starfleet and federation are the same so I deduce we are team mates There are at least 2 factions some of which may be = Starfleet/Federation, Romulan Empire, the Dominion, the Cardassian Union, and Borg - under certain rare conditions, one can be converted/recruited to a different faction. Any species can belong to any faction. Some species that may exist are Human, Vulcan, Romulan, Klingons, Bolian, Betazoid, Vorta, Cardassiuns, Bajorans, this is not a complete list. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:26 No I added Federation and reversed order. I also change the time stamp. WE ARE THE SAME. I will say someone (non Starfleet) is trying to convert me. May be we can use that as a double double cross (pretend to convert). Don't know the details yet. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:04 ok thats good news to have found an ally. NotoriousPat has hard claimed Klingon and Starfleet as well and I am in the camp of beleiving him for now. Thick is also messaging me saying he can be converted or something? Who is the person trying to convert you!? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:05 ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 14:02 Hello Abs. I am not going to sugar coat anything now, but even if we are not on the same side now we may be able to be on the same side in the future. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:14 Ditto and more. I don't think he can harm. I am restricted on what I can say. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:21 Why are you restrcited? This doesnt make sense if we are the same faction? What are you not telling me? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:41 Gentalmens agreement. I have a lot of PM with him. He failed the Star Fleet Fed test. He said my test wasn't valid. He claims he can look into roles. He is not ready to disclose converting terms yet. I will say he can't inspect me this phase. He wants me to give you up. I said no. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:23 I have a other Starfleet who passed the Frederation test. We should create another group with the 3 who passed the test to control the moles. Ely and Blue are on my sus list. Neither will trust me so maybe you should reach out to them. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:27 So who is other who passed? You sure this isn’t you just being a very good mole? How did I know you didn’t just fabricate your message to me and just agreed to whatever I came back with? 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:33 I am not a mole. We both have Thick susp PMs. You questioned me on the addition of Fed and reversing win clause & I had the right truthful answers. The new SF caught all except the time stamp and responded with complete correct Ten Role PM. We have to trust and figure out more of the fleet and our abilities. I have hinted to mine (it is not a phaser). Ely has also claimed starfleet but that's not who I verified. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:38 I don’t have any ability apart from the one I purchased What is phaser! 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:42 Phaser is kill = 1 of buy options. I can't kill and have no other ability. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:43 I sent test to Ely and Rcom. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:43 I can’t kill either. I am applying pressure to Ely to see what comes of it 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:48 Ely came back with just "I am Starfleet". I asked a 2nd question but pretty sure he is not. 2ofclubs said: 07 Sep 2022, 21:57 I gave Ely that the time stamp was wrong and asked him what els was wrong with Role PM. He came back with the 1st part is the same as his but 2nd is different. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:04 I just sent this to Ely, FYI I have not investigated him BUT if I end up dead now, you know exactly where to go fishing for mafia, agreed? Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 22:03 I decided to investigate you anyway as your right, if I can then see you are indeed starfleet then I will know for sure. I have also told other confirmed Starfleeters I investigated you so if I end up dead, so will you Spoiler (click to show) [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 15:59[/size] And convo with Thick: [spoiler]ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 14:02 Hello Abs. I am not going to sugar coat anything now, but even if we are not on the same side now we may be able to be on the same side in the future. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:06 hmmm very intersting, I dont have this kind of power! I am very much Vanilla and a Human and you can probably guess which faction that puts me in... ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:12 Good afternoon, Evening for you, Abs. I could guess a faction but being human doesn't exclude you or me from any particular faction, my only hope is to find my kind and continue exploration. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:19 Yes I think Human and Klingon etc can also be same faction? We just need to find out what factions there are ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:25 I agree.....but I am not sure that people are willing to give out accurate information as the amount of factions is still unclear. I have other chats open an most all are claiming Human, like that is the end all be all of "goodness". I am human as well, but does that make my faction the good one? If Tenn stuck to Star Trek cannon........then yes it does. Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:26 see my forum post, I think its a great idea to at least narrow it down Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:26 lets start with this exercise between you and I. I am one of Starfleet/Federation, Romulan Empire or Borg and I am NOT The Dominion or Cardassian Union Which of this are you and are you not? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 17:34 I am one of Starfleet, Vulcan, Romulan Empire and I am NOT the Dominion or Cardassian Union Abs said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:03 hmm interesting! So it seems that the other 2 could already be non factions? ThickTalon said: 07 Sep 2022, 18:48 Seems that the easy answer is human Starfleet. I will do you one better and say I am not Romulan.[/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:05[/size] Thxs. I am currently working with Rcom and put pressure on a few in game thread. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:25[/size] Here are my latest chats Rcom[spoiler] 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 16:21 You have been chatting w/ others you just don't know it. LOL Several eyes have seen the chats and we are trying to catch all and keep the fleet pure. So be true and up front with us. We can engage and stay in warp mode. [/spoiler] Abs and Not [spoiler] 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 02:12 Apparently Thick tried to probe Ely and got the same thing. Now thick has claimed star fleet and said Ely and he swapped role info. Over all Thick has been suspicious. He also wanted me to give up Abs when I said I knew another starfleet. Coms went dead when I wouldnt. 2ofclubs said: 08 Sep 2022, 16:17 The probe is set to 1 a phase by Ten to control reveal and give every one a chance at playing aka cop/detective. I don't have investigate probe mind meld... ability. I have force field. I know of several others withh probe, +vote, but none with kill. I know it's hard to trust me BUT I am 100% starfleet. I had a test to confirm other SF but it's been used 4 times with double checking w/ in the 4, so it can't be used again. Abs can vouch for the Federation and win clause test. Oh don't give me so much deception credit - like I said I let others create their own rabbit holes. I just throw crumbs to keep them going down or when needed stop them as case warrants. [/spoiler] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:26[/size] Rc accepted my proposal to trade roles then went offline. I'm waiting for Rc to comeback online before making the swap. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:27[/size] we also need to start thinking about how we can use our abilities to protect each other and make progress in teh game [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:29[/size] [quote]Abs said: 08 Sep 2022, 16:27 we also need to start thinking about how we can use our abilities to protect each other and make progress in teh game[/quote] Agreed. Why has no one shared there whole Role PM with Tenn? This still bothers me. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:30[/size] I have 1 hour max before I have to go offline until tonight. [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:46[/size] Abs said: 04 Sep 2022, 19:28 How many factions will there be? Is it still 1 mafia team, 1 town team? Or lots of teams? Tennesseelogman said: 04 Sep 2022, 19:32 not disclosed, not disclosed, not disclosed, not disclosed Tennesseelogman said: 05 Sep 2022, 22:00 Your faction is Starfleet and your species is Human Your win condition is to eliminate all players who are not in your faction Abs said: 06 Sep 2022, 10:11 Thanks, can we talk yet in the forum? Tennesseelogman said: 06 Sep 2022, 10:58 yes [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:52[/size] If Rc comes back online before I am off, are there any concerns about a Role swap between the 2 of us? And who should I vote? I don't think I should use my extra's yet, just the single. I'm thinking jkl3699 [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:53[/size] IM inspecting JKL so lets wait [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 16:55[/size] Someone else then? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:06[/size] Madagascarter? [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:34[/size] Happy to vote Mada, been very quiet but lets all vote same so we get some mometum and answers FYI those who dont vote for who we agree on will be on my suspicion list I am voting [b]#lynch Mada [/b] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:35[/size] Putting it in now. [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:37[/size] elysium5 said: 08 Sep 2022, 16:29 Abs said: 08 Sep 2022, 16:27 we also need to start thinking about how we can use our abilities to protect each other and make progress in teh game [b]Agreed. Why has no one shared there whole Role PM with Tenn? This still bothers me.[/b] I shared mine including my Vorta species and unedited PMs with Ten. I am ok with single votes on Mada or JKL and with bring RCom in to the fleet. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:37[/size] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:37[/size] To be clear, [b]I am NOT using my extra votes[/b] [b]#Lynch Madagascarter[/b] [hr] [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:38[/size] I have to go in about 5 minutes [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:38[/size] I submitted [b]#FLOAT MADA[/b] [hr] [b][user]Abs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:51[/size] The Queen has died! Such big news as a Brit! [hr] [b][user]2ofclubs[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]08 Sep 2022, 17:54[/size] Sad :'( [hr] [/spoiler]