Kids With Guns Mafia Game

Sorry guys, Sorry Hoodlum.. I'm definitely wood spoon here.

[quote=Anaxagore]Sorry guys, Sorry Hoodlum.. I'm definitely wood spoon here.[/quote] Figured I'd just share this. I doubt it really means anything, but I believe in transparancy. Of course I realise that Anax is dead now, so he can't confirm that this is indeed our conversation, nor can he say I made shizzle up - so feel free to question it. [spoiler=Talking with Anaxagore]Message: Kids with guns - Anaxagore/AlexCheckMate From: Anaxagore To: Kyla, AlexCheckMate Anaxagore said: 27 Mar 2019, 14:41 Hey, Are you vanilla? AlexCheckMate said: 27 Mar 2019, 14:53 Nope Cinnamon Buns! Anaxagore said: 27 Mar 2019, 16:50 haha, not but seriously? you can tell me you don't want to say now, i would understand. AlexCheckMate said: 27 Mar 2019, 16:57 ghehe, surely you already know i dont want to tell you, or anyone for that matter now, or anytime :D still not a big fan of private communication - i believe thats what the forum is there for. all 1on1 can be faked and presented in another fashion besides, what kind of answers do you expect to obtain? :D i do not think the IC/VIGI would want to let you know they're that, same goes for mafia - just pointless pagefillers imo :< Anaxagore said: 30 Mar 2019, 22:53 what do you want to know? AlexCheckMate said: 30 Mar 2019, 22:54 all you feel comfortable sharing and more =) preferably in the forum Anaxagore said: 30 Mar 2019, 22:55 i've said everything. I'm the vigi. AlexCheckMate said: 30 Mar 2019, 22:56 that's cool why muz? and why even make the move? Anaxagore said: 30 Mar 2019, 22:57 everything is in the chat. i needed a townie shield to get the time info and find the IC. Anaxagore said: 30 Mar 2019, 22:59 are you okay with me shooting Hoodlum? AlexCheckMate said: 30 Mar 2019, 22:59 that's not in the chat at laest - not what i would expect to find you picked muz, solely because you didnt expect him to be mafia again? just straight of the bat like that? you made the move coz you got upset the IC didnt want to expose? i dunno anyway, feels like pulling on a dead horse here =d and it all going in messages, as opposed to forum i'll be brushing my teeth now Anaxagore said: 30 Mar 2019, 23:01 Pm have a reason. if i told you this is just bullshit, muzz is the real vigi and i'm defending him you would be the only one who knows :) AlexCheckMate said: 30 Mar 2019, 23:08 -Hoodlum, not too sure about, but he remains town in my eyes, although his behaviour today does make him lean more towards mafia from what I thought yesterday... I won't attempt to manipulate a manipulator. If you are the vigi (quite likely), you'll do what you do. I was not in favour of the specials exposing themselves on the first day. Yes, it gives the option for a quick win, but it als boosts the option of a quick demise. Especially when it's coming from players who have a huge influence on the game, whether they live or die, will make an impact - regardless of their faction. I do understand though, that you are now most likely the target of the mafia, so you should probably use your shot (even though you exacly have a higher risk of taking out town :D - but not using your ability...... you'll have to have some trust in your judgement and wing it). Of course there is also the option of you having contacted more people with the Muz offer, and/or that you too are only just a part of the puzzle, but going through all possibilties is just a pain, so I'm not going there. TBH, I'm probably only harming town by talking to you now :p as it might cause some confusion. My best bet is to just wake up tomorrow, login and see what everyone decided to do. I would've liked to see more input from Muz, I assume that after all the exposure in the forum, he mustve had some messages coming in from other people, or possibly you too - hence that you and/or him actually should have a decent amount of data to filter useful information out and base decisions for the night on. AlexCheckMate said: 30 Mar 2019, 23:11 i understand the power of pm. with great power comes great responsibility. i do not wish to gather loads of info that is just my info. that will force me to make decisions for everyone. it'll force me to be a dictator, because i would truly believe i know best, as i have most info. i do not know best. i believe in democracy (or maybe technocracy ;d) having too much info, just for me...... goes into (micro)management of the game and being online/involved all the time - i do not have the time, nor do i want to make the time. i'm sorry if this isn't what you were hoping for.... Anaxagore said: 30 Mar 2019, 23:14 you play the way you want man. it's just a game. plus this game is not very fact oriented so there is no real info to gather... Anaxagore said: 30 Mar 2019, 23:14 at this point, my shoot is like having 2 lynch in a raw, it's random and risky, but it's better than nothing, why? Hoodlum will need to be checked some day, better do it now. Anaxagore said: 30 Mar 2019, 23:22 have you spoken in PM with some other players?[/spoiler] I went to bed at about 2314, so didn't see/read/react them last messages (keep in mind, for us Europeans the clock was sped up by an hour last night, so this 2314 servertime, was already 0114 my time...). If I had thought I could persuade Anax to do stuff differently, I might have tried harder, but I didn't see this happening (experience from last mafia game with him). Secondary reason.... I wouldn't have a clear target for him... I wrote my ideas on people in the forum, I did not exactly have anything airtight on anyone, so wouldn't want to be leading him into a foxhole. Anyway, what's done is done - and it's a bad thing for town, obviously. Quick thinking: IC should come out today. I am not IC, so I can not do it (just regular townie, cinnamum bun, ghehe). Why? Because as Elysium pointed out, there's 5 people left, of which 2 are mafia, therefore we MUST lynch a mafia in order to still REMAIN in the game (it's not even winning yet...) - as I did point out to Anax... his shot was likely to go false... but that statement was based on my information of NOT having information. If he did have extra information, he couldve had a proper chance of taking out a mafia... but apparently, that was not the case? I see two options now. 1) we all say what we think => we get a lynch going. If this lynch appears to be on the IC, by accident, s/he can claim IC and we can get another new lynch going. 2) IC comes out right now => we lynch someone other him him/her Probably #1 is the best strategy I've given my view on just about everyone, if others would do this too, we might be able to do something with this complex puzzle. At this point, I am most curious about what Muz has to say.... regardless of his busy party weekend, living up the good life, Champaign Showers etc..... he surely has a lot of data that we should have access to too. Not sharing it would be seen as quite suspicious to me. Also, note that Hoodlum mentioned he suspected Muz of being mafia. In a sense, it makes sense, simply because he didn't believe the muz claim.... as did V98. And they were right. However, they didn't anticipate on Muz being controlled by the vigi, Anax. So I'm not too sure what to think here - would like to see what others make of this. As such, I can not really label Muz yet. My labelling on Muz will be formed today, based on his (lack of) posting/content today. -Alex

Hey, why not Elysium? His reaction to Vir death was so cold as an artificial sadness... He is also smart enough not to share so many thoughts to shed light on his role. I guess he is one of them. Also you Alex, its very consuming to follow all your strategies, but easier to understand why you write so much if you are a mafia, you have this gift of talking sense, but maybe to cover on a lie.

Im the IC. Kyla will confirm. I claimed to muz but he never told anax. Mafia wouldnt want him to know any more townies. This isnt definitive proof he is mafia, he could have just not trusted anax's claim. But without a counter claim it had to be true more often than not. True enough for him to false claim publicly. [b]#Lynch Muz[/b]

@kyla when is the deadline for voting? not a great start fellow townies...:(

Sygmassacre is sided with the town. Day ends on the 2nd at 11pm server time

#[b]Lynch Muz[/b]

#Lynch elysium

Lynch Muz

[quote=Jimi]Hey, why not Elysium? His reaction to Vir death was so cold as an artificial sadness... He is also smart enough not to share so many thoughts to shed light on his role. I guess he is one of them. Also you Alex, its very consuming to follow all your strategies, but easier to understand why you write so much if you are a mafia, you have this gift of talking sense, but maybe to cover on a lie. [/quote] I didn't just reread what I said, I'm just going by memory here - didn't I say I had a bad read on him? Can't raelly gauge him? So yeah, he can be oO I'm not sure why it would be easier to understand as mafia? Gift of talking sense? Feel free to watch the other mafia game, I believe I'm not much different here, than I was there (except less active now - this weekend was poorly timed for me xD) - I'm back now though! I'll place a [b]placeholder[/b] lynch on Muz now: #Lynch Muz I do not understand how syg can accuse him and he doesn't respond at all.... nor does he respond on my request for providing us with more info... don't know whether it's due to weekend, or somewhat #care, or just because he can't defend against it (= him being mafia). One way or another, we need to lynch correctly today, so I do want to hear more. Good that syg is outed as IC, so there's 1 person who we know not to lynch. Not sure why he came out right away though, I think coming out after we tried to get more data wouldve been more beneficial, but what's done is done. We're with 5 people. Syg is clear, leaves 4. Of which 2 are mafia. That's me, elysium, jimi, muz. Muz is getting pressurised now, due to his start with Anax. I'm getting a bit of a squeeze due to talking a lot? Muz is lynching Elysium, without any reasoning why??? And Jimi is just there. We'll need to reveal more of ourselves to give us the best chances. [b]Direct questions to Muz:[/b] Did syg indeed contact you? Did he say he was the IC? Did you talk with syg? anything useful? did you discus any of this with Anax? We need words out of your mouth Muz. Whether you're town or mafia, you'll need to speak up if you wish to live another day and see your goals come clearer..... -Alex

Vote Count: ~ (4) Muzthebus (Sygmassacre, elysium5, Jimi, Alexcheckmate) ~ (1) elysium5 (Muzthebus)

Oh wow, I had totally not seen Jimi lynched Muz too :< I must've started writing my post before Jimi posted..... and then I never saw there was a new post, so never checked in again ;d The lynches by elysium, Jimi and Muzthebus could most certainly use some extra explanation... To me, it feels like town is just going #YOLO. We should be pressuring everyone to contribute - soften up the people and get the information to galore! Or...... indeed just go with this.... Then either a mafia is lynched => game continues (IC gets slain), we're left with 3... need to lynch correctly again. Or a townie get's lynched => game over. So therefore, we might already start discussing who our 2nd lynchtarget would be, see if there's consensus - and, we can use this info, to perhaps spot the connection between the 2 mafia. It's thin, but it's at laest something....... -Alex

My explanation? Muz's play has been strange and I already knew Syg was the IC before he came out so easy decision to go along with his vote.

Well assuming this game goes another phase I would normally pick the person who has suggested the most suspects. There arent many ways to hide whilst talking in the forums when there are only 2 of them but they have to be active in some small way. So far Jimi has suggested hood and ely, one which has been proven to be town. However, he did vote to lynch muz right after be claimed. Maybe getting out in front of this eventual scenario could have been a tactic all along or maybe he is just as he seems to be, a townie. I think the other person would be one hiding in plain sight which is ely

I suppose it is fair to assume Muz is indeed just 1 of the mafia. No matter how cluttered his schedule is, I do not believe he wouldn't make an effort at all to try and get people to NOT lynch him. He has been online and he has posted some, but none of which shows any reason as to why people shouldn't lynch him. Only 12h remain. Therefore, I would already wish to continue with the thought that the mafia knew about Anaxagore straight from the bat. This must've given them a great advantage, provided they worked with it. Which makes me think that not only Muz is rather inactive/inexperienced, but his buddy too. Otherwise I'd assume the 2nd mafia would guide/pressure Muz into some logical steps - steps which he does not seem to have taken at all. The interactions between Muz & Anaxagore, as well as the execution of the plan by Muz (while trying to double cross Anax), support the idea of little 'control' of the mafia of the situation. Rereading what I wrote..... this just sort of seems like a plea for myself, haha [quote=elysium5]My explanation? Muz's play has been strange and I already knew Syg was the IC before he came out so easy decision to go along with his vote.[/quote] How did you know syg was IC? And why would you therefore follow his vote? Yes, you can be sure he's on towns side, so won't try to manipulate you, but what makes his vision on the game better than your own? -Alex