Money and Masks GAME THREAD

Great. Anax not who he claims to be? Or?

haha [quote]After the Renaissance, an even cheerier Elysium evolved for some poets. Sometimes it is imagined as a place where heroes have continued their interests from their lives[/quote]

Ok, sorry Hoodlum... Don't we get to knwo the mask clolour as well Virt ?

My best guess so far. Anaxagore + paulcha neutral are the two neutrals Muzt + mayba are the mafiosi Everyone else town. Let's see how this'll continue - probably not in the right direction, with loads of townies not managing to loggin, let alone lynch =\

oh, yes thanks for pointing that out paulcha. [url=https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3084/money-and-masks-game-thread/post/54204#post-54204]EDIT[/url]

Beige mask on Hoodlum? Good info. That means I for one do NOT trust that he bought oil..... and doused someone's house.... (here: https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3084/money-and-masks-game-thread/post/54180#post-54180 ) Lie from paulcha. paulcha hostile neutral. Whaddup? I've talked a great deal in personal messages with Anax today. he's too smart to do what he did, if it was a mistake. So he's surely not on the side of town. -Alex

I already explained i would have prefered to lynch a mafia but nobody listenned.. Although i apologise for my wrong bet here Sorry Hoodlum

So these were all bought votes. Syg also said he would vote hood but never did

Thanks for pointing directly the finger at me alex, but dough also voted dough.. And maybe you are the last neutral and voted paulcha just to look clean... with the money he has, everything is to consider. However i think we can still do it. Since paul has lied, we can assume he is the hostile neutral. Therefore, why would mafia ally with him and not us to get him lynched? Maybe we can aslo kill him at night. With oil or mafia help? Mayba Muzz? Which dide are you on? Ps: stop spending money

[quote=Anaxagore]Thanks for pointing directly the finger at me alex, but dough also voted dough.. And maybe you are the last neutral and voted paulcha just to look clean... with the money he has, everything is to consider. However i think we can still do it. Since paul has lied, we can assume he is the hostile neutral.[/quote] I was in direct contact with you. Not with dough_boy. He already stated he doesn't read (my) input in this thread (properly). We discussed at length what to do (I explained you how we should move forward - you agreed - you acted differently). Therefore I can see no other logic than that you did what you did, by a conscious choice/decision. Considering I think you're rather smart - I do not think it was a mistake - it was meant like this. As such, I'm fairly sure that you're siding with paulcha. Trying to lynch Hoodlum made no sense. I've also mentioned I could possibly go along with your idea on lynching muzt, provided that's what the other townsmen wanted - didn't happen (it's in your DMs). You are not the victem here. So do not try and raise sympathy for yourself by going all cynical with your "Thanks for pointing directly the finger at me alex" - doesn't add anything. You should fully understand why I do this. Prove me wrong and get paulcha 6 feet under. //Note: Lynch on the first day.... I was also trying to lynch paulcha; you, Anax, were rather occupied with trying to prevent that from happening. Adds towards the case against you. What I suggest on how to proceed further...... [b]We 'need' [user]Sygmassacre[/user] to run an election campain with a socialist regime. We vote for him to become the mayor. We all lynch paulcha.[/b] If he can't/doesn't want to do it, I'd be also fine with seeing [user]Kyla[/user] or [user]Dough_boy[/user] run. If they're not up for it, I'll see myself as last option. =D Why syg? At the times he is online and playing, he has proven to have a proper functioing brain. He has been mayor before (saw no abuse) and he's an older adult (that often helps towards really using your brain/reason/logic, as opposed to relying too much on weird gut feelings/other). Will need to hear from syg whether he agrees with running his campaign though (maybe still stuff that needs to happen due to his current private situation). -Alex [i]PS - why have I not heard anything from anyone in here about the results of the auction?[/i]

I wouldn't mind being mayor but problem is I'm not up at the crunch time and stuff may be revealed before then that I didn't see (which has happened a couple times). That means 2 votes would be stuck on someone early in the day, not really ideal and don't want to let town down like that :) Also, who cares if they're older!

[spoiler]2 Neutral (one “hostile neutral”, who cannot win with the Town or the Mafia. The other neutral can win alone, with the Town, with the Mafia, or with the hostile neutral.)[/spoiler] OK looking at this I don't really want to lynch paulcha, seems pretty likely he isn't the hostile one from his role and wording but I see the logic in doing it. Atm he seems like he's in defence mode where he will align with anyone. Surprised hood died guys..

Haha older the wiser i guess. Sorry to hood. I was going to vote to lynch you anyway too but was asleep.

I never agreed with you Alex. Stop mixing the truth. Here is our full afternoon chat for those interested.. [spoiler] Message: Money and Masks Mafia Game - Anaxagore & AlexCheckMate From: Anaxagore To: Virtuosity98, AlexCheckMate Anaxagore said: 01 Feb 2019, 18:46 What is your mask colour? AlexCheckMate said: 01 Feb 2019, 20:06 why? Anaxagore said: 01 Feb 2019, 20:34 I want to know so as to bust the last neutral... AlexCheckMate said: 01 Feb 2019, 20:50 I will prove my mask colour in the coming night I suppose AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 10:09 I'm not sure though.... how do you expect to bust a neutral by means of my mask colour? i do not quite understand why you'd prefer to lynch muzt/mayba over paulcha - care to elaborate? Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:43 Is it true tht you told hoodlum you were neutral? Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:50 The game is getting too complex haha. I thought you were the last neutral. AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:50 We're just talking crap to each other - that was clearly not something that was meant honestly - he knows this very well too. He 'accused' me of being neutral - I didnt deny it, I sort of went along with it. This is that particular piece of convo (as visually seen on first sight): Hoodlum said: 30 Jan 2019, 00:13 I am the hostile neutral. Hoodlum said: 30 Jan 2019, 00:14 you are the neutral right? Hoodlum said: 30 Jan 2019, 00:14 we can work together AlexCheckMate said: 30 Jan 2019, 00:19 lol you are the hostile neutral? really? why would you tell me? :D how did you figure i'm the other one? lol Hoodlum said: 30 Jan 2019, 00:21 we need to kill town! Hoodlum said: 30 Jan 2019, 00:21 i could tell lol AlexCheckMate said: 30 Jan 2019, 00:22 how? i dont think i was that obvious....... Hoodlum said: 30 Jan 2019, 00:24 cause you just told me. I do not really give out information in private talks - unless I feel very secure about it being ok. Going along with stuff people just 'invent' - I do not consider that as confirming it. Furthermore - with the new post from paulcha - I believe everyone should now start to really realise I'm just a regular townie... I'm just talking quite a bit =) Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:52 I trust you 75%. I trust doug ang syg 90% AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:53 Game isnt complex at all :p There's just a lot of confusion being planted by loads of parties. However, with a lot of communication, mistakes slip through and the truth may be found. I feel like we're doing pretty good. On our lynchlist: Muzt/Mayba/Paulcha/Hoodlum. - in no particular order - just yet. Ofc the option remains that there's 'evil' hidden in the inactives, but I find this of no concern, as for right now. Do you know who got hold of the last item which was auctioned? If you do not mind me suggesting - I suggest you lynch paulcha. Not so much whether you wish to stick with that lynch - but just to turn up the pressure even more :D evils 'always' crack under pressure - let's find out what they'll both (+hoodlum) say to keep their faces in the game ;) Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:55 Who should we lynch then? We just have two hours left Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:56 Just read you msg AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:57 Please elaborate on those numbers If you took some (a lot?) time to analyse all the stuff I've done in the thread/personal chats/overal - you should probably come to the conclusion that I've been steering a whole lot and putting pressure everywhere. Never (ok... maybe not really never :p) to the extent of going way overboard - but always leaving loads of room for people to come with their own feedback/opinions => finally leading to mistakes slipping in from the evil guys => finding out 'real' info => progress in the game, especially in a positive sense for town. Yep. I haven't given out my role, nor my mask (colour) - I do however feel as if that is 'cheating' so I prefer to not do that. Having said that; the intelligent/careful reader (not meant to put pressure on anyone), should already be able to know my colour. AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 15:58 Ghahaha, talking past each other =D Ain't that awsum Cant wait for Hoodlum to get online and start defending against paulcha - that might bring some more info/fireworks ^_^ Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:00 The thing im scared about is that if we make a mistake here, we might be outnumbered.. If we lynch a mafia we know for sure we dont make a mistake. If paul is saying the truth, and his win clause is just to survive. He might help us after. He already gave us one mfia. If paul is lying, well hoodlum is maybe town. So lnching paul is risky, but lynching hood too. Personnally i would more go to mayba or muzz but of course we have to xoordinate our votes. We should ask dough what he thinks AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:09 I do not think dough is in my inbox - I do not initiate any conversations myself :p but he's free to talk to me, if he might want to (he's made it very very clear at several occasions that he doesnt trust me at all - he even said he'd do the exact opposite of what i would say - so dunno how much can come from a talk :D) outnumbered...... risk remains risk ;d we have no guarantees on anyone. i'm full ears on possibly switching to muzt in the end, but having paul/hood 'waste' some cash before that happens on fake IDs, might not be the worst thing, as well as more incentive for them to talk honestly and give us more info. hence some pressure votes ;d i wouldnt really say paul 'gave' us a mafia - he just saved his own skin. we forced him to give us some info, to allow us to be in agreement with him staying for another day. we as town made the lynch on the mafia happen - he only facilitated the info, as we pressured him so much. all this made me grin for a bit, realising i lynched him first day on (with no real accusation); but enough to get him to panick for a bit and dive in my DMs ;) + start giving out info, and not so much voluntarily at all, ghehe i'm 99% sure both muzt and mayba are mafia - i'm also 99% sure that it is mayba who coordinates the both of them, yet muzt is the richer one - so he might be the best lynch from the both of them. if it comes to that point Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:15 Ok i get what you mean. But paul was already pressured when he gave that info. I mean i could put more but not sure it would change a thing since the day is over soon. Lets wait to see how hood reacts. AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:17 As per your last logic: If Paul is saying the truth then Paul is the good neutral and Hood the bad one (or mafia? But i doubt that) If Paul is lying, Paul is probably the hostile neutral and Hoodlum a regular colour blind townie. If we lynch paul, dough becomes shop owner. Next day we can lynch hoodlum (if paul turned out non-hostile - our new shop owner has enough coins to make sure the lynch will succeed), or one of the mafia. So either we'll get rid of 1 or 2 neutrals and then continue with getting rid of 2 mafia? Theres you/me/syg/dough/kyla - 5 active town alive (i guess we do not really have to question this..... ); should be enough to 'easily' get rid of the last evils Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:27 Let me think about it. You have a point but i need tl make the maths myself to be sure. AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:30 haha furthermore hoodlum has been putting pressure on paul since...... long time (possibly largely influenced by me) - it would not be good for hood if paul turns out as the non hostile neutral, that would make it very likely that he (hood) is the HN - i'm sure he's smart enough to realise that himself - so i see the chances higher of paul actually being the HN eitherway - it's perfect when the shop is in hands of someone we can trust Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:40 Last turn hood has put pressure on paul while being mayor.. And if he knows paul knows who he is, he has reasons to get rid of him I mean sure he would be discovered if paul is lynched but who knws what he can do. About the maths. If we lybch paul nd he is the good one. We have. Dough + shop You Me Syg Kyla Against Hoodlum Mayba Muzz Thats 5 agaisnt 3 But if they kill at night 2 people (speculation), well it is not that simple moreover when we have no idea what power mafia and the hostile neutral have. I think lynching a mafia is better. Also since hood or paulcha both know one has to die, lets just let them fight aginst each other, no? AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:46 2 people dieing? very low chance on that my house is doused - so im the likely target - what they however do not know - is that i'll be prepared. 2 Neutral (one “hostile neutral”, who cannot win with the Town or the Mafia. The other neutral can win alone, with the Town, with the Mafia, or with the hostile neutral.) mafia must win alone (or with the neutral neutral) - they need to get rid of the hostile the neutrals (if it's paul + hoodlum), do not need to fight each other - they can be putting up a nice show here, but in reality keep each other alive and wreck everyone else =d if we lynch the HN - all good; the N will likely side with town and we wipe out mafia if we lynch the NN - then the HN is a 1-man-team. we should have no real trouble getting rid of him mafia...... they seem ill organised. they're not into the game in a sense that we should be worrying about them.... Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 16:47 Are you sure it is your house that is doused? AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 17:00 It is in the update https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3084/money-and-masks-game-thread/post/54113#post-54113 ///rereading i see i misread =D EDIT: 1 player's house has been doused in Oil. EDIT: CCTV was also set up at AlexCheckMate's house, and not at Sygmassacre's. i interpretted the 'also' to connect both edits. eitherway......... have we seen more houses doused? would still only be 1 kill? i dunno - dont feel like being scared of any of that :< AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 17:33 your single lynch on muzt is useless atm paulcha will buy and lynch whoever he wants - better to swap over to paul...... i think...... (or hood if you insist...) « Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 17:33 I know AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 17:39 hood isnt online he cant buy best to burn money from paul? so lynch him? lol AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 17:55 either i dont understand or you're not who you say you are? Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 17:57 Well see. Last time paul wa correct We lybch tomorrow otherwise AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 17:58 explain me why you are not making sense you agreed with me going after hoodlum is nonsensical Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 18:02 I said muzz is better No one followed me I dont trust hood AlexCheckMate said: 02 Feb 2019, 18:03 you do not need to trust hood you cant be trusting paul either he's the logical lynch you're behaving peculiar noone following on muzt...... not my fault..... Anaxagore said: 02 Feb 2019, 18:16 I have to admit i made a big mistake here.../spoiler] Hope my copy paste worked. Hard to do on a phone

Did anyone get a copy of Hoods picture notes? It's nice that a confirmed town thought I was most likely innocent. I remember him having Mayba as all red with devil horns, anyone know why we expect Mayba? Was it because of him not lynching ely? Or was there something else?