Money and Masks GAME THREAD

#elect hood Maybe im doing a mistake but something weird happened. Paulcha said he knew what i bought yesterday. But the item he said is not in my possession. He then said maybe its not my mask he saw. Either paul got that info from someone but he wouldn't tell me. Or he got it from his own power but in such case his pm is fake. I highly suspect mafia is trying to get paul elected. About hood. He is colourblind. Shared his pm first. And although this messge with paul saying he was mafka looks weird, i think he is who he pretends to be since virt mistake is aparently that he told him by mistake the store manager mask was orange. Here is what i also know Hoodlum told me that syg and muz liked the idea of swapping masks with the colour blind hoodmum which is very mafia or neutral like. Elysium tried to get the wording of the pm. But this is maybe just a misundunstanding. This post will make me some ennemies but i prefer you guys to know even if it gets me lynch.

Eh...if you were all smart you would elect me because I am the only one who can be trusted. Is there an "inspector" or do we have to do the camera thing and then put masks with people who can swap masks?

[quote=dough_boy]Eh...if you were all smart you would elect me because I am the only one who can be trusted. Is there an "inspector" or do we have to do the camera thing and then put masks with people who can swap masks?[/quote] What makes that you can be trusted? Some facts/evidence/story would be cool :x

FYI, I did not try to get the wording of the pm...I suggested a word exchange exactly the same as you used for the town win clause. As a matter of fact, I will just go ahead and post the entire conversation right here for all to see because I do not like that you are implying that mafia are trying to get paulcha elected...with only trhee votes, one by himself, one from me and one from muz, you are basically saying we are the three mafia. I am not sure about anyone else but I resent the implication that I am not town. Conversation for all to read: [spoiler][b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]26 Jan 2019, 19:26[/size] Hey :) Setting up communication between us [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]27 Jan 2019, 03:02[/size] Sounds good. I'm sure we'll talk soon. [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]27 Jan 2019, 22:50[/size] Are you town? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 12:22[/size] Yes, I am. You? [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 12:54[/size] Yes [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 12:55[/size] Whats the 7th word of the winclause? The 4th is "of". [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 13:04[/size] The seventh word is "and" [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 13:19[/size] Good [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 13:19[/size] The 10th is neutral wats the 2nd? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 16:36[/size] You've got me convinced. The second word is "all" [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 17:35[/size] Been talking to Hood. He says you passed him with flying colours. Is this true? Also just stated talking to paulcha. Hasn't said much other than a claim to be town. You talked to him yet? [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 17:36[/size] Yes hoodlum is the first who passed. Paulcha too. Ill make a list of people who did. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 17:41[/size] That's good. Hood just said that everyone seems to be passing but there have got to be some failures or non responses, no? [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 17:45[/size] Yes everone who responded passed. 3 people didnt yet. I dont coubt the 3 inactive [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 17:54[/size] So 3 no response and 3 inactive. I like hoods little chart. It will help with putting the peices together. He said he has offered to swap masks with muz and that he is a little suspicious of him. Has he responded to you yet? I have so far only talked to you, Hood and paulcha. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 18:04[/size] I've got to run into town for a few errands but I should be back in 2-3 hours. I'll check back in when I get back. [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 22:22[/size] Everyone i asked finally passed the test. I think virt my have leaked it [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 22:56[/size] Great...now what do we do? [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 22:57[/size] I dont know. I thibk alexcheckmate is onto sometging but he wont tell me what. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]28 Jan 2019, 22:59[/size] Well, I'll keep checking in. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]29 Jan 2019, 15:25[/size] What the hell is going on in the forums? You said alex is on to something but now he is pointing fingers at you and paulcha. Are you still sure about paulcha and how does Hood factor in? He seems to be doing a good job of remaining neutral(to a degree) in the dispute. I'm not sure who to trust at all anymore with the whole 'possible leak' situation that seems to have evolved. [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]29 Jan 2019, 15:27[/size] I honetly think alex is just parano. There is no single evidence right now. I shared my pm with a few people. Send me yours if you want and i send you mine. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]29 Jan 2019, 15:49[/size] I am pretty sure I can trust you but I am going to hold off on sharing my PM at the moment (and you can keep yours to yourself as well) until some sort of evidence can be found to start sorting this thing out. I'll keep checking in with you and let you know what I hear. You don't need to tell me anything that could hurt town until you trust me but I'll do what I can in the meantime. [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]29 Jan 2019, 15:58[/size] Thinking about it, maybe a word trade from the whole PM? Would that work? [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]29 Jan 2019, 16:02[/size] Wht do you mean by a word trade? [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]29 Jan 2019, 16:11[/size] I mean fill in the blanks a word at a time. Currently the role PM is: You...[u]blanks[/u] You...[u]blanks[/u] You...[u]blanks[/u] You...[u]blanks[/u] Win clause: [u][i]eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/i][/u] Mask Colour...[u]blank[/u] [hr] [b][user]Anaxagore[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]29 Jan 2019, 19:36[/size] Yes i dont like this method. If you are mafia it would help you get the right wording [hr] [b][user]elysium5[/user] said:[/b] [size=12px]30 Jan 2019, 02:10[/size] Ok, just a thought. [hr] [/spoiler] I am always open to change my vote if someone can give me a good reason to but I don't see how my current vote indicates I'm mafia, nor do I see Anax's logic suggesting that is the case.

I have only ever been mafia once. I was a neutral once and I came out on that one (actually had the game figured out but because I wouldn't let Kyla get lynched she teamed up with the mafia to get me out, then the game ended). I honestly have no clue what is going on. I have individual chats with a few people (who all are easily able to hide behind confusion). And I fully believe that you are Neutral Alex...could be Mafia, but more than likely Neutral. That is about all I can offer other than you smell fishy (sort of like Anax the first time he played).

this is interesting. so is paulcha saying he is the shop owner? my playing around with him about being mafia targeting the shop owner with the orange mask is quite funny now, and i see why paulcha is extra suspicious. it was just playing around, nothing uncommon, i do that. sometimes i stumble on something. i put myself in the situation of what i think mafia would do. if they purchased something, surely they would target the shop owner. i am colourblind, but i was told that the shop owner saw my mask, and i saw his mask was orange. maybe i do see some colours, or maybe it was a mistake by virt. that's the only instance with mask i've had so far. i guess mafia aren't thinking as i would, because paulcha is alive. could be several reasons, why there was no kill last night.it's all confusing.

I am going to do whatever is opposite of what alex wants. unelect doughboy elect syg

[quote=dough_boy]And I fully believe that you are Neutral Alex...could be Mafia, but more than likely Neutral. That is about all I can offer other than you smell fishy (sort of like Anax the first time he played).[/quote] Ghehe, now I've completed all options for myself :p been accused town/mafia and now neutral too :D town/mafia I can understand. Neutral I can not. The neutral is a soloist..... going high profile would be very risky - I'm not [i]THAT[/i] risky =D Whereas, I could decide to take a fall for my team, to give them room to expand their reign, that is not the case for the neutral. I haven't seen you explain your statement yet though....... please do: [u]"Eh...if you were all smart you would elect me because I am the only one who can be trusted."[/u] Without further idea's on who is right/wrong..... and what is fake/true.... we seem to be finally getting some information flowing :) this is good. What I get from it, is that we will most likely gain even more information if we manage to get [user]paulcha[/user] lynched. When I tried to lynch him the other day, I had no real case against him; but now the pressure has been building and a lynch on him will provide information - which is what'll (eventually) lead to a victory. I do not mind whether we #ELECT hoodlum or dough_boy as mayor - is either of you in agreement with leading a lynch against paulcha? :) And of course, as we're living in a democracy here, I'm all ears to hear ideas/input from everyone else - I'm specifically curious about [user]Sygmassacre[/user] right now..... as he currently remains the residing mayor, I would expect some guidance from him... -Alex

I am getting more and more lost.. I feel we are going to make a mistake whatever happens. Anyone got visited last night? Should we just all share our PM and look for inconsistencies? Or the colours?

[spoiler] Message: Money and Masks chat: Virtuosity98 Hoodlum From: Virtuosity98 To: Hoodlum Virtuosity98 said: 26 Jan 2019, 08:11 am Thanks for joining the game. You will receive your Role PM in about 8 hours. Please use this chat to send me actions you wish to perform (only #ELECT and #LYNCH should be done in the forum thread). If you have any questions then I'll be happy to answer. Virtuosity98 said: 26 Jan 2019, 05:54 pm You are a rich townie. You start with 8 coins. You earn 3 coins at the end of every day phase. You are colour-blind. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral. Mask Colour: Unknown [/spoiler]

looks like the town clause was leaked anyway. this means nothing, cause i think i have faked roles the past 4 games :)

[spoiler] You are an old townie. You start with 5 coins. You earn 3 coins at the end of every day phase. You will die night 6. Everyone outside that night will be in mourning and stay home the next two nights. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral./spoiler] I wait for all actice players to share their pm before sharing my color. Or else i would definitely be targeted at night.

i don't know what paulchas role is, but i heard it's fishy. how bout he post it and see if it persuades you to still elect him

Ok, here it goes for all to see: Virtuosity98 said: 26 Jan 2019, 08:13 Thanks for joining the game. You will receive your Role PM in about 8 hours. Please use this chat to send me actions you wish to perform (only #ELECT and #LYNCH should be done in the forum thread). If you have any questions then I'll be happy to answer. Virtuosity98 said: 26 Jan 2019, 17:47 You are a speedy townie. You start with 5 coins. You earn 2 coins at the end of every day phase. You may perform as many actions as you wish each night. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral. Mask Colour: Yellow

I know I've said that I want information to become available... as that'll help for puzzling and finding liars, as mistakes are bound to slip through..... But sharing role PM.... that just goes 1 step too far IMO... ok.. true.. people can fake stuff, but still... I'm ethically unable to do this and frown upon it when others do it :( As for the PM from [user]Anaxagore[/user].... I hope to instantly claim that one has got to be fake. [b][u]I hereby state that Anax is a liar[/u][/b]. (oh boy :D I've never done this before, as I can not really back it up :D It's just gut feeling... :D) I refuse to believe that the host would invent roles that are doomed to just die/lose... even more so in the current game setting. A game with 14 players, in which we'd often see 1 player die at night and 1 at lynch => 2/day. So if there would be a role living at day 6..... and then instantly die? That's just a completely unthinkable role as far as I can judge it. With 3 mafia and 1 hostile neutral... we'd have 6 lynchings to take down 4 bad people, otherwise Anax instantly loses? No. Just no. [size=18px]I propose to lynch Anax next, instead of my previously announced plan of paulcha. Please give me your opinions on this.[/size] -Alex