Message: one last deal?
From: Bluegoetz
To: elysium5, Madagascarter, Ryomyr, orzhovboss
Bluegoetz said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:39
sorry this is the worst day to be in this phase of the game.
Here's the deal, I've been doing the if's all day in my head and I can't see a scenario where my team can win (at least without a deal and a double cross). the obvious temptation would be to shoot each other since we can, but that will give the capone's the game.
I propose we eliminate both of the remaining capone's this will give us both an even chance going forward. there will be no temptation eliminate a single in the lynch. it could even end up a tie game.
Just thinking about our options it seems like i'm choosing what team to give an advantage too. and I don't know about you guys but i'm feeling a little bit vengeful towards jkl and pyg for starting the mole thing, that really tripped my team up. So if someone has to win I'd rather it not be them lol.
I know this is a game of deception and lies so there is no way we can trust each other to follow through. but here we are.
Pyg is going to get shot tonight.
it would be really cool if lando died too.
Bluegoetz said:
23 Feb 2022, 23:07
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Bluegoetz said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:38
sorry this is the worst day to be in this phase of the game.
Here's the deal, I've been doing the if's all day in my head and I can't see a scenario where my team can win (at least without a deal and a double cross). the obvious temptation would be to shoot each other since we can, but that will give the capone's the game.
I propose we eliminate both of the remaining capone's this will give us both an even chance going forward. there will be no temptation eliminate a single in the lynch. it could even end up a tie game.
Just thinking about our options it seems like i'm choosing what team to give an advantage too. and I don't know about you guys but i'm feeling a little bit vengeful towards jkl and pyg for starting the mole thing, that really tripped my team up. So if someone has to win I'd rather it not be them lol.
I know this is a game of deception and lies so there is no way we can trust each other to follow through. but here we are.
Pyg is going to get shot tonight.
it would be really cool if lando died too.
orzhovboss said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:40
Okay I can tell my gang to shoot pyg. But I need your word you won't double cross me.
orzhovboss said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:40
I understand it's hard to prove, but I hope I can trust you.
Bluegoetz said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:43
done- so we are shooting lando? and you pyg?
and i'd like your word that if you double cross us that you lynch the last capone tomorrow. second place feels better than third
orzhovboss said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:43
I won't be double crossing you but sure you can have my word. I can shoot pygmy I guess.
Bluegoetz said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:46
I just don't want to both shoot the same one. that would be super dumb and embarrassing at this point lol
orzhovboss said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:47
Yeah lol
mhm I'll shoot pyg
Bluegoetz said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:50
Bluegoetz said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:49
#Hit LandoCalriskian
and for fun
# investigate orzhovboss
orzhovboss said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:52
orzhovboss said:
23 Feb 2022, 19:34
#Hit pygmyhippo277
#Inspect Madagascarter
yes I know I said inspect instead of investigate
why would I lie now lol
orzhovboss said:
23 Feb 2022, 22:53
I put my hit in a while ago
imagine waiting until 7 hours before the deadline
I accidently didn't get you in the first message mada
Madagascarter said:
23 Feb 2022, 23:23
Ok, please don't double cross. We have successfully recreated the prisoner dilemma
Neither side double crosses - We effectively tie
One side double crosses the other - That side wins
Both side double cross each other - Capone wins
This is poetry
Ryomyr said:
23 Feb 2022, 23:27
Lol. And, it is absolutely great that we are in this position! I don't want Capone to win. 0%
Let Orz and I work it out. Your logic tracks with ours.
orzhovboss said:
23 Feb 2022, 23:36
lol Mada - so true
Let's all be nice
Ryomyr said:
24 Feb 2022, 01:39
Okay, we need some assurances to see this through to a tie. I have emailed Ely a question about a possible truce after this night phase.
You two can kill pygmy, which we think is fair. (Pygmy doesn't deserve to see another phase.).
We will proceed to kill Blue, and not risk a verbal/written arrangement for a tie going blind this night phase.
However, if you do follow through and kill pygmy, we 100% guarantee to ask Ely for a draw when we cast our votes the next day phase.
It would work like this: If you kill pygmy, that will make the day phase a 2 against 2 draw. 1 Bug and 1 Cap vs. 2 Purps. We immediately cast our votes to #LUNCH the Cap, "final answer." We kill the Cap by 3 to 1 vote. Once the votes are cast against the Cap we ask Ely for a truce between our remaining gangs.
If we try to pull a fast one during the voting phase--as in we don't immediately cast our LUNCH vote right after you for the Cap (give us a minute and make sure we are on)--you can take the deal into your own hands. You could then partner with the Capone to night kill both of us. We would, of course kill one of the two of you, giving you a 50% chance of survival. However, if the truce is delivered in the forum, we'd probably just let the Capones win.
Make sense? Do the logistics check out?
Ryomyr said:
24 Feb 2022, 01:46
However, if the truce is NOT delivered in the forum, we'd probably just let the Capones win.
That's a big typo. Good thing I am not in contract law. Are you tracking what we are proposing? It really hinges on whether Ely will let us call it a truce during the day phase after our votes are cast.
Could we kill the last remaining Bugs the following night? Yes. But, that is why we are getting permission from Ely to call the truce after casting 3 votes against the Cap. This way we would know going in that we could end the game.
You have my word as a PURPLE Mafioso, and an upstanding member of the D12 community, that I will play for a truce as proposed above.
Signed: Ryomyr. Date: 2/23/22
orzhovboss said:
24 Feb 2022, 03:28
Signed orzhovboss
Boss of the Purple Gang
Bluegoetz said:
24 Feb 2022, 03:38
okay. just got back on and mada will not likely see this.
so i'm killing pyg now instead of lando? and you kill me. then call truce?
orzhovboss said:
24 Feb 2022, 03:40
Yup hopefully. At this point as Mada said it's prisoner's dilemma - and kind of random chance. Our two gangs, Bugs and Purple, have an equal shot at winning and exactly equal setup. So this seems fairest.
Bluegoetz said:
24 Feb 2022, 03:45
technically the original way puts us 2 v 2 exactly equal, but yes the double cross implications are so much higher. (i'll admit i've been wrestling with them all night; risk vs reward)
but i'll agree to this even though you guys will have the win fair and square. just make sure you tell the others lol.
ill switch the kill to pyg.
Bluegoetz said:
24 Feb 2022, 03:50
i'm probably off for good this phase in a few min. any other things to change or are we good?
Bluegoetz said:
24 Feb 2022, 03:46
#Hit LandoCalriskian
#Hit Pygmyhippo277
and for fun
# investigate orzhovboss
this is what it is.
orzhovboss said:
24 Feb 2022, 04:08
Blue we have promised to go for a tie. Honestly we will if we can. Otherwise never trust me again(not that you should in the first place...lol)
Bluegoetz said:
24 Feb 2022, 04:15
its just a game, and all in good fun. see you in the morning. . . . well mada will
Madagascarter said:
24 Feb 2022, 08:42
I have no say in what actually happens tonight. But I’ll sign the truce
signed: Madagascarter. Date: 24/2/2022
Hitman of the North Side Gamg