Mafia D12 Style GAME THREAD

[b]#LUNCH Ryomyr[/b]

Definitely agree that Ryo's PM role smacks of neutrality. No reason not to include your win clause or faction if you were Town. That being said, what I find interesting is the third ability: [quote]3. Night 1x ability, Select [b]Fog [/b]option to cancel night activity of Mafia Dominator.[/quote] Having the ability to cancel the night ability of a mafia dominator [b](if that is in fact what this ability is and not swapped for Town Dominator)[/b] then that is something to keep around. However, his omission of the faction and win clause are concerning as others have noted. The other thing that stands out to me is the Fog option. That makes me wonder what other abilities based on the game options/mechanics are out there. Does someone have the ability to use Unlimited Fortification? or impose Adjacent Fortification on someone else? Just for the sake of "thinking out loud" I wonder about the other game options too. Maybe there is something we can deduce from all these? Fortification: adjacent, chained, unlimited Turn Order: consecutive, same time (beta) Dice: original, balanced Fog (I would assume in general this would be a mafia or neutral ability) Advanced Cards Teams: Free for All, Pairs, Triads, Quads (are these PM groups created in this manner? quads, triads or pairs?) What about the game types? Deathmatch, Domination, Capitals and Assassination. I can see assassination being used as a game type, which is why I felt we should caution against giving out our colors right now. But what about Domination? Is someone's win clause based on the percentage of town/mafia/neutral killed? Not sure how he would work Capitals in, and Deathmatch seems to be just what would be the standard game we're playing. I don't know that this is particularly helpful, just trying to put some things out there and see if anything resonates with others.

I am going to be gone all day today. I won't have time to try to save myself. Yes, I am a neutral. Obviously. [b]WC: Your faction wins when all Town and Mafia are eliminated - you need not be alive.[/b] [b]#unlunch ryomyr[/b] GG - sorry, Clubs.

Alright, I think we take the aim off Ryomyr now, and look to someone else or to no lynch so far. Ryo could be useful. For the moment, and I reserve the right to change at any time; [b]#No Lynch. [/b]

was it ryo that 1st brought up that there were 2 dominators?

I believe it was KC but could be wrong

[quote=Ryomyr]I am going to be gone all day today. I won't have time to try to save myself. Yes, I am a neutral. Obviously. [b]WC: Your faction wins when all Town and Mafia are eliminated - you need not be alive.[/b] [b]#unlunch ryomyr[/b] GG - sorry, Clubs.[/quote] Ryo's WC implies here that the neutrals are their own faction since he doesn't need to be alive to win, even as a neutral. I also think his fog ability might have been edited and could be used against Town instead of mafia (maybe something like: "3. Night 1x ability, Select Fog option to cancel night activity of either Dominator".) For that reason I'm sticking with my previous decision to lynch him, we don't need him and he could very well turn against us.

hello! I'm back! sorry ya'll. Reading through, did Ryo volunteer to get lynched?

that 3rd ability looks interesting if true [quote]3. Night 1x ability, Select Fog option to cancel night activity of Mafia Dominator.[/quote] what if he assures us that he will use it tomorrow to cancel the night activity of Mafia Dominator and then 1 of his other abilities the next night?

Do we have a current lynch count?

players are very reluctant to fully and honestly share their abilities - and this is exactly what mafia is most afraid of. if PMs were allowed and 1 player can be verified as town = then that player can coordinate an attack. this is where a town leader is most effective. but even here in the open - 4 or 5 known abilities can be very useful. if ryo wc is true = he is a long way from winning and if he agrees we can use his abilities against mafia w/o hurting him. this the main reason i am often a mafia target early (mostly do not last past the 2nd night phase) on since that is what i like to do - organize the counterattack. if any of you have an ability to create a PM chat room - please include me. or just post your abilities here and we will try to protect you to some of the newer players this may seem like a mafia trick but others can verify that this is the way i work best for town. as said before our (town) main advantage is outnumbering the mafia - if only we could organize like they get to = it would be no contest - we would win every time. they can not target us as fast as we can target them

[quote]Bluegoetz wrote: Posted: 2 minutes ago Post #175 Do we have a current lynch count?[/quote] anax and jacob vote ryo rock votes = no lynch no other votes yet i am afraid of what 2oc said that our vote may not have the effect we want (opposite or something)

for the time being [b]# i abstain [/b]- subject to change

Sry, been offline today, it's time I did a catch up

as of right now #Abstain ryo could be useful in future phases and its not worth right now to lynch him