Mafia D12 Style GAME THREAD

Jacob: [quote]Townies I trust: (in this order) 1. Rockbert - I feel like he's the only other confirmed town guy who's been really active in the forum - [b](good job on this one)[/b] 2. Thick - Seems like the better option of the Thick/Ely duo - doesn't fully trust Ely which I think is smart. Has been targeting Ryo which I agree with. [b](okay, but if you are good then literally only a 25% chance he is good.[/b] 3. Crywolf - Gave solid info from Clubs PM, not sure why everyone is on him... [b](he was frozen the other night and there were no kills ... maybe he is being framed though)[/b] 4. Anuorre - Out of most of the drama but bringing up good points. Would like him to stay engaged. [b](behaves like a psychic by sending cryptic messages based on gut/crystal ball :))[/b] 5. Anax - willing to believe he might have been silenced somehow, seemed solid before - TLM could be confirming him as town to build his own resume. However, his town confirmation is a bit sketchy due to the TLM thing [b](good job on this one) [/b][/quote]

Ryo, can you clear up where you're getting your numbers from? I have an idea but would like to hear it from you

Good morning all. Jacob, I want to commend you on your thoroughness and your breakdowns. Very helpful! nice work.

What's an anti vote? You still haven't answered my question TLM. [url=https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3884/mafia-d12-style-game-thread/post/91463#post-91463]Post 492[/url]

Ah classic Bill. A whole lot of comments but never answering a single question [url=https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3884/mafia-d12-style-game-thread/post/91489#post-91489]Post 517[/url] [url=https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3884/mafia-d12-style-game-thread/post/91491#post-91491]Post 519[/url]

[quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.

[quote=ThickTalon][quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.[/quote] I just went back and checked our 4 person chat with TLM/ E5/ Mac/ and myself. TLM mentions above that "ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote". I still don't know why you would push E5 on the block if you weren't going to vote for him in the first place, essentially like I said forcing him to potentially (i don't know if E5 used his ability to SAVE himself). Just doesn't make sense if you were going to use your "anti - vote" to save a town (crywolf). [b][i]Also let me ask you TLM.[/i][/b]....[u] does your "anti-vote" extend to all day phases, and does it say if you can decide to use your anti vote or is it automatic?[/u]

I have now found time to read everything, tho I am still lost as always my thoughts: if Annoure's relay is correct, then TLM should be telling us his thoughts on possible mafia in his PM group chats thick and ely seem to have a good reason to stick together(tho it could be a clever mafia move?) trust issues with Ryo, he claims to want to help(reason why I voted no lynch for he was useful to town) but now Idk about his true agenda the inactives have me thinking that they could be neutral just watching town and mafia destroy each other before picking off the survivors appreciate the save from TLM, but why at the last second? more thoughts are to come, but I just found that I have more stuff I need to do before I can fully read the forum

[quote=Crywolf]I have now found time to read everything, tho I am still lost as always my thoughts: if Annoure's relay is correct, then TLM should be telling us his thoughts on possible mafia in his PM group chats thick and ely seem to have a good reason to stick together(tho it could be a clever mafia move?) trust issues with Ryo, he claims to want to help(reason why I voted no lynch for he was useful to town) but now Idk about his true agenda the inactives have me thinking that they could be neutral just watching town and mafia destroy each other before picking off the survivors appreciate the save from TLM, but why at the last second? more thoughts are to come, but I just found that I have more stuff I need to do before I can fully read the forum[/quote] I have no reason to defend myself but since my "pact" with E5 has been mentioned 3 times thus far. It would make no sense for Mafia to be so out in the open with their alliances. I am Town, Town is out front with their alliances because we need to be, Mafia would be taking a HUGE risk sticking together in the open forum with they have a chat group behind the scenes. Regardless I have a feeling that I am going to be a target again tonight since they mafia tried a shot last night and were unsuccessful, so you all may see my faction soon enough (would suck for me but may be beneficial for town to see the Talon detractors exposed) My win clause I need to be alive for ME to win but Town can win withOUT me. Honestly if I have to fall on the sword so be it, a TOWN win is all that matter. Screw Mafia, Neutrals I don't care about.

[spoiler][quote=ThickTalon][quote=ThickTalon][quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.[/quote] I just went back and checked our 4 person chat with TLM/ E5/ Mac/ and myself. TLM mentions above that "ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote". I still don't know why you would push E5 on the block if you weren't going to vote for him in the first place, essentially like I said forcing him to potentially (i don't know if E5 used his ability to SAVE himself). Just doesn't make sense if you were going to use your "anti - vote" to save a town (crywolf). [b][i]Also let me ask you TLM.[/i][/b]....[u] does your "anti-vote" extend to all day phases, and does it say if you can decide to use your anti vote or is it automatic?[/u][/quote] [/spoiler] Agree that this needs to be cleared up on Tennessee's end. Why, if you knew Elysium had a day save ability would you risk him having to use it if he and you are town? At this point I am sticking with my [b][i]Tennessee, Anax, Ryo [/i][/b]theory until I can see something to suggest otherwise.

[quote=Rockbert][spoiler][quote=ThickTalon][quote=ThickTalon][quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] I keep coming back to the neutral faction idea and maybe the illegal teaming being between neutral and mafia. I’m with you Rock, I want to get some real openness from at least 1 of these three Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.[/quote] I just went back and checked our 4 person chat with TLM/ E5/ Mac/ and myself. TLM mentions above that "ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote". I still don't know why you would push E5 on the block if you weren't going to vote for him in the first place, essentially like I said forcing him to potentially (i don't know if E5 used his ability to SAVE himself). Just doesn't make sense if you were going to use your "anti - vote" to save a town (crywolf). [b][i]Also let me ask you TLM.[/i][/b]....[u] does your "anti-vote" extend to all day phases, and does it say if you can decide to use your anti vote or is it automatic?[/u][/quote] [/spoiler] Agree that this needs to be cleared up on Tennessee's end. Why, if you knew Elysium had a day save ability would you risk him having to use it if he and you are town? At this point I am sticking with my [b][i]Tennessee, Anax, Ryo [/i][/b]theory until I can see something to suggest otherwise. [/quote]

[quote=Rockbert][spoiler][quote=ThickTalon][quote=ThickTalon][quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] I keep coming back to the neutral faction idea and maybe the illegal teaming being between neutral and mafia. I’m with you Rock, I want to get some real openness from at least 1 of these three Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.[/quote] I just went back and checked our 4 person chat with TLM/ E5/ Mac/ and myself. TLM mentions above that "ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote". I still don't know why you would push E5 on the block if you weren't going to vote for him in the first place, essentially like I said forcing him to potentially (i don't know if E5 used his ability to SAVE himself). Just doesn't make sense if you were going to use your "anti - vote" to save a town (crywolf). [b][i]Also let me ask you TLM.[/i][/b]....[u] does your "anti-vote" extend to all day phases, and does it say if you can decide to use your anti vote or is it automatic?[/u][/quote] [/spoiler] Agree that this needs to be cleared up on Tennessee's end. Why, if you knew Elysium had a day save ability would you risk him having to use it if he and you are town? At this point I am sticking with my [b][i]Tennessee, Anax, Ryo [/i][/b]theory until I can see something to suggest otherwise. [/quote]

Sorry, was posing from my phone with bad connection apparently…

[quote=Rockbert][spoiler][quote=ThickTalon][quote=ThickTalon][quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.[/quote] I just went back and checked our 4 person chat with TLM/ E5/ Mac/ and myself. TLM mentions above that "ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote". I still don't know why you would push E5 on the block if you weren't going to vote for him in the first place, essentially like I said forcing him to potentially (i don't know if E5 used his ability to SAVE himself). Just doesn't make sense if you were going to use your "anti - vote" to save a town (crywolf). [b][i]Also let me ask you TLM.[/i][/b]....[u] does your "anti-vote" extend to all day phases, and does it say if you can decide to use your anti vote or is it automatic?[/u][/quote] [/spoiler] Agree that this needs to be cleared up on Tennessee's end. Why, if you knew Elysium had a day save ability would you risk him having to use it if he and you are town? At this point I am sticking with my [b][i]Tennessee, Anax, Ryo [/i][/b]theory until I can see something to suggest otherwise. [/quote] I keep coming back to the neutral faction idea and maybe the illegal teaming being between neutral and mafia. I’m with you Rock, I want to get some real openness from at least 1 of these 3.

I see what I did not, I wrote my text in the wrong section so it looks like it was a part of the quote. Please discount those 2 messages, you’re welcome to read if you suspect foul play but it was just an honest mistake.