Mafia D12 Style GAME THREAD

[quote=Jacob24][quote=Rockbert][spoiler][quote=ThickTalon][quote=ThickTalon][quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.[/quote] I just went back and checked our 4 person chat with TLM/ E5/ Mac/ and myself. TLM mentions above that "ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote". I still don't know why you would push E5 on the block if you weren't going to vote for him in the first place, essentially like I said forcing him to potentially (i don't know if E5 used his ability to SAVE himself). Just doesn't make sense if you were going to use your "anti - vote" to save a town (crywolf). [b][i]Also let me ask you TLM.[/i][/b]....[u] does your "anti-vote" extend to all day phases, and does it say if you can decide to use your anti vote or is it automatic?[/u][/quote] [/spoiler] Agree that this needs to be cleared up on Tennessee's end. Why, if you knew Elysium had a day save ability would you risk him having to use it if he and you are town? At this point I am sticking with my [b][i]Tennessee, Anax, Ryo [/i][/b]theory until I can see something to suggest otherwise. [/quote] I keep coming back to the neutral faction idea and maybe the illegal teaming being between neutral and mafia. I’m with you Rock, I want to get some real openness from at least 1 of these 3.[/quote] Jacob, in some of the past games the neutral role was very beneficial to town, almost like a gun for hire, scratch my back I scratch yours. I have been on that side of the coin and was willing to work with who ever wanted to work with me to achieve my win clause. Problem is that the Neutrals in this game are either trying to throw confusion, or not talking.

I have less than an hour before I have to go. Reading/catching up on the forum posts and seeing if I can add anything new in terms of speculation.

I don't see anything new to add but I do see many questions still being ignored.

[quote=ThickTalon][quote=Jacob24][quote=Rockbert][spoiler][quote=ThickTalon][quote=ThickTalon][quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.[/quote] I just went back and checked our 4 person chat with TLM/ E5/ Mac/ and myself. TLM mentions above that "ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote". I still don't know why you would push E5 on the block if you weren't going to vote for him in the first place, essentially like I said forcing him to potentially (i don't know if E5 used his ability to SAVE himself). Just doesn't make sense if you were going to use your "anti - vote" to save a town (crywolf). [b][i]Also let me ask you TLM.[/i][/b]....[u] does your "anti-vote" extend to all day phases, and does it say if you can decide to use your anti vote or is it automatic?[/u][/quote] [/spoiler] Agree that this needs to be cleared up on Tennessee's end. Why, if you knew Elysium had a day save ability would you risk him having to use it if he and you are town? At this point I am sticking with my [b][i]Tennessee, Anax, Ryo [/i][/b]theory until I can see something to suggest otherwise. [/quote] I keep coming back to the neutral faction idea and maybe the illegal teaming being between neutral and mafia. I’m with you Rock, I want to get some real openness from at least 1 of these 3.[/quote] Jacob, in some of the past games the neutral role was very beneficial to town, almost like a gun for hire, scratch my back I scratch yours. I have been on that side of the coin and was willing to work with who ever wanted to work with me to achieve my win clause. Problem is that the Neutrals in this game are either trying to throw confusion, or not talking. [/quote] I am an open book Rockbert!!

[quote=Ryomyr][quote=ThickTalon][quote=Jacob24][quote=Rockbert][spoiler][quote=ThickTalon][quote=ThickTalon][quote=Tennesseelogman][quote]If you were willing to bet your life on Ely, why'd you switch?[/quote] ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote. i revealed this in our PM (others knew) i am still 67% convinced that ely is mafia therefore i tried to get a lynch vote started on him but knew that my vote would cancel someone else's therefore = my last minute vote switch. go ahead and let ely deny he knew it before anyone else call him on it. gone again today to work for 7 hrs. i can not do this on my phone (too old)[/quote] Regardless of your thoughts on Ely... your vote to me was suspect... 1. You knew E5 had a "Day Save" and forced him to use it 2. Switched at the last moment to get a possible (E5 loss of ability, and a known town kill in Crywolf) 3. essentially if you are mafia it was a good play to try to take out abilites and a town at the end of the phase. for these reasons you are suspect #1 to me.[/quote] I just went back and checked our 4 person chat with TLM/ E5/ Mac/ and myself. TLM mentions above that "ely knows why - my vote is an anti-vote". I still don't know why you would push E5 on the block if you weren't going to vote for him in the first place, essentially like I said forcing him to potentially (i don't know if E5 used his ability to SAVE himself). Just doesn't make sense if you were going to use your "anti - vote" to save a town (crywolf). [b][i]Also let me ask you TLM.[/i][/b]....[u] does your "anti-vote" extend to all day phases, and does it say if you can decide to use your anti vote or is it automatic?[/u][/quote] [/spoiler] Agree that this needs to be cleared up on Tennessee's end. Why, if you knew Elysium had a day save ability would you risk him having to use it if he and you are town? At this point I am sticking with my [b][i]Tennessee, Anax, Ryo [/i][/b]theory until I can see something to suggest otherwise. [/quote] I keep coming back to the neutral faction idea and maybe the illegal teaming being between neutral and mafia. I’m with you Rock, I want to get some real openness from at least 1 of these 3.[/quote] Jacob, in some of the past games the neutral role was very beneficial to town, almost like a gun for hire, scratch my back I scratch yours. I have been on that side of the coin and was willing to work with who ever wanted to work with me to achieve my win clause. Problem is that the Neutrals in this game are either trying to throw confusion, or not talking. [/quote] I am an open book Rockbert!! [/quote] No, you are not. You have avoided WAY to many important questions that could actually be helpful so I* sincerely doubt your intent is to help anybody except yourself.

[quote=Jacob24]Ryo, can you clear up where you're getting your numbers from? I have an idea but would like to hear it from you[/quote] It means I have moderator verified information and using process of elimination I arrive at a percentage. (Unlike our beloved moderator who definitely just improvises percentages for the fun of it ... at least, I am 93.3% sure he is improvising.) :) So, out of a list of x amount of people I know for sure that x amount of them must be mafia. I don't want to say how long my lists are, but I can be a multi-day asset to town. I have repeatedly provided truthful information based on the list I have and the people I have already mentioned. You could probably reverse engineer the list. You are on it, but I feel almost confident enough to remove you, thus increasing the accuracy for my claims of knowing who the mafia are. In other words, why can't you work with me temporarily?

[quote=Ryomyr][quote=Jacob24]Ryo, can you clear up where you're getting your numbers from? I have an idea but would like to hear it from you[/quote] It means I have moderator verified information and using process of elimination I arrive at a percentage. (Unlike our beloved moderator who definitely just improvises percentages for the fun of it ... at least, I am 93.3% sure he is improvising.) :) So, out of a list of x amount of people I know for sure that x amount of them must be mafia. I don't want to say how long my lists are, but I can be a multi-day asset to town. I have repeatedly provided truthful information based on the list I have and the people I have already mentioned. You could probably reverse engineer the list. You are on it, but I feel almost confident enough to remove you, thus increasing the accuracy for my claims of knowing who the mafia are. In other words, why can't you work with me temporarily? [/quote] We’re still waiting for that list of mafia people that you know about.

Ely, can please send me a concise list of your questions? I will answer honestly in about 4 hours from now. (Unless I die.)

[quote=MacEohaid][quote=Ryomyr][quote=Jacob24]Ryo, can you clear up where you're getting your numbers from? I have an idea but would like to hear it from you[/quote] It means I have moderator verified information and using process of elimination I arrive at a percentage. (Unlike our beloved moderator who definitely just improvises percentages for the fun of it ... at least, I am 93.3% sure he is improvising.) :) So, out of a list of x amount of people I know for sure that x amount of them must be mafia. I don't want to say how long my lists are, but I can be a multi-day asset to town. I have repeatedly provided truthful information based on the list I have and the people I have already mentioned. You could probably reverse engineer the list. You are on it, but I feel almost confident enough to remove you, thus increasing the accuracy for my claims of knowing who the mafia are. In other words, why can't you work with me temporarily? [/quote] We’re still waiting for that list of mafia people that you know about.[/quote] Why would I give you all the goods when my life is on the line? We need to reach an accord.

[quote=Ryomyr][quote=Jacob24]Ryo, can you clear up where you're getting your numbers from? I have an idea but would like to hear it from you[/quote] It means I have moderator verified information and using process of elimination I arrive at a percentage. (Unlike our beloved moderator who definitely just improvises percentages for the fun of it ... at least, I am 93.3% sure he is improvising.) :) So, out of a list of x amount of people I know for sure that x amount of them must be mafia. I don't want to say how long my lists are, but I can be a multi-day asset to town. I have repeatedly provided truthful information based on the list I have and the people I have already mentioned. You could probably reverse engineer the list. You are on it, but I feel almost confident enough to remove you, thus increasing the accuracy for my claims of knowing who the mafia are. In other words, why can't you work with me temporarily? [/quote] I do want to Ryo. Partly because as strange as it seems, it seems like you want to help town and build cohesion more than most "confirmed" town members. The thing is, I can't think of any actual information you've given town. We've gotten a lot of ideas and potentials, but nothing solid. You're also ignoring questions posed to you. I'll ask directly here, if you ignore then I'm probably done working with you: 1. Do you have a faction working with you? 2. How are you getting the information and lists you claim to have? 3. What cards do you have?

[quote=Ryomyr][quote=Jacob24]Ryo, can you clear up where you're getting your numbers from? I have an idea but would like to hear it from you[/quote] It means I have moderator verified information and using process of elimination I arrive at a percentage. (Unlike our beloved moderator who definitely just improvises percentages for the fun of it ... at least, I am 93.3% sure he is improvising.) :) So, out of a list of x amount of people I know for sure that x amount of them must be mafia. I don't want to say how long my lists are, but I can be a multi-day asset to town. I have repeatedly provided truthful information based on the list I have and the people I have already mentioned. You could probably reverse engineer the list. You are on it, but I feel almost confident enough to remove you, thus increasing the accuracy for my claims of knowing who the mafia are. In other words, why can't you work with me temporarily? [/quote] I say spill it. Give us the information you have or at the very least give us one or two names of mafia. Maybe town can find a way to protect you in the night if you do that.

[quote=anuorre]The last game we had 3 mafias and ended quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if we have 4 or more. Keep your eyes peel. On my suspect list now, in order of suspiciousness (highest to lowest) 1. Tennesseelogman 2. Ryomyr 3. Anaxagore [/quote] What is the foundation for your suspicions on TLM? He explained his reason for the switch.

[quote=Ryomyr]If town goes with me on this, I can provide 2 names out of 3 that the moderator has confirmed are mafia. [/quote] We went along. Now hold up your end.

After rereading post back on page 28 I see Ryo mentions thick, and Ely. Who is the third?

I have bowling league tonight so I will not be around for the Night to Day turn over. I want to get some thoughts down in the case I am not around (mafia/neutral kills me tonight) 1. If I am killed you will see my full role regardless, but your prime suspects should be TLM and maybe one of the silent ones 2. I have been watching at night and there are certain folks that are not on so I am unsure if they are really suspects for mafia as that is prime time to talk (Anax, Mada)