Money and Masks Feedback

[b][size=18px]Post-Game Review[/size][/b] First and foremost, thanks for playing! It was a very interesting and enjoyable experience to watch the game unfold. I’ll be talking about the inspiration for the game, revealing information about Roles and the flow of money, summarising the events of the game, and pointing out the flaws that damaged the balance of the game. [spoiler=Inspiration]The simple idea that led to these extensive game mechanics was that Night Actions would be done using Items, bought by coins. A player’s Role would be less important than the way they used Items in the game’s progression. Naturally a currency had to be introduced, followed by earnings. But again, I wanted players to have influence over their access to coins, so the Mayor and Regimes were introduced, thus necessitating the splitting of the Day phase into Morning and Afternoon phases. As I thought about what Items could be created, I figured that in a realistic game, players would “see” other players using these Items on them during the night. That’s when the idea of masks came to me. The theory was that players would only be able to find mafia by seeing which masks were attempting murder and then by working out who was under each mask. They would work out which mask belonged to each player using CCTV cameras (masks that keep showing up at the same house are statistically likely to be from that house). I expected the mafia to take an early lead due to the lack of easy detection, but then I thought the Store Owner would help balance the game by telling the town which masks were buying ‘mafia items’. Also, in these games mafia are usually discovered through their own mistakes in PM conversations or through obvious alliances in Lynch campaigns, so I was fine with giving them lots of cover. I even gave them the ability to buy anonymously, swap masks, or just buy their own. All other elements (e.g. inside/outside at night, masked actions vs unmasked actions, auctions, town rich list) fell into place when I realised they were needed.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Role PMs]Ok, here is the full, uncensored list of Role PMs. I didn’t reveal them as players were dying because of the Revival Elixir, which could have brought those abilities back. [spoiler=Anaxagore]ANAXAGORE You are the entrepreneur. You start with 0 coins. You start in the position of Store Owner. Win clause: survive until endgame.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Muzthebus]MUZTHEBUS You are the rich mafia. You start with 10 coins. You earn 3 coins at the end of every day phase. Win clause: eliminate all members of the town and the hostile neutral. [/spoiler] [spoiler=Elysium5]ELYSIUM5 You are the speedy mafia. You start with 5 coins. You earn 2 coins at the end of every day phase. You may perform as many actions as you wish each night. Win clause: eliminate all members of the town and the hostile neutral. [/spoiler] [spoiler=Mayba]MAYBA You are the poor, stealthy mafia. You start with 3 coins. You earn 1 coin at the end of every day phase. You are immune to Stealing. You cannot be seen by CCTV. Win clause: eliminate all members of the town and the hostile neutral. [/spoiler] [spoiler=Hoodlum]HOODLUM You are a rich townie. You start with 8 coins. You earn 3 coins at the end of every day phase. You are colour-blind. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Kyla]KYLA You are a jealous townie. You start with 8 coins. You earn 2 coins at the end of every day phase. You receive the information of a random richer player instead of your own in the Town Rich List. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Huskers01]HUSKERS01 [inactive] You are a perceptive townie. You start with 2 coins. You earn 1 coin at the end of every day phase. You may #QUESTION a masked player who is outside. You will be told if they are in your faction or not, with 75% accuracy. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=CheekyTeeky]CHEEKYTEEKY [inactive] You are a poor townie. You start with 2 coins. You earn 1 coin at the end of every day phase. You can #USE a Knife to kill a player during the night. If you kill a townie, you will be lynched in the morning. You are immune to stealing. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Dough_boy]DOUGH_BOY You are a popular townie. You start with 2 coins. You earn 3 coins at the end of every day phase. When running for election, you get voted one extra time automatically. You must be voted one more time than necessary to be lynched. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Jimmy1066]JIMMY1066 [inactive] You are a speedy townie. You start with 5 coins. You earn 1 coin at the end of every day phase. You may perform as many actions as you wish each night. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=AlexCheckMate]ALEXCHECKMATE You are a scavenging townie. You start with 0 coins. You earn 1 coin at the end of every day phase. You gain all items and money left at the houses of players who are nightkilled. You can survive being nightkilled once. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Sygmassacre]SYGMASSACRE You are a creative townie. You start with 5 coins. You pay 2 coins to #INVENT an item during the night. In the morning, it will be sold to the highest bidder (you stay inside your house while performing this action). Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=GM_Archiee]GM_ARCHIEE [inactive but lynched anyway] You are a learning townie. You start with 1 coin. You earn 1 coin at the end of Day 1, 2 coins at the end of Day 2, 3 coins at the end of Day 3, and so on. Win clause: eliminate all members of the mafia and the hostile neutral.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Paulcha]PAULCHA You are the accountant. You start with 1 coin and a Cane. You earn 1 coin at the end of every day phase. You can #EXAMINE a player’s financial records during the night (you stay inside your house while performing this action). Win clause: have the highest net worth when there are five players or less alive.[/spoiler] It was a shame to see two of the town’s best assets being completely inactive (perceptive townie and poor townie)… just bad luck for the townies.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Graphs of Finances]Here are some graphs tracking the account balances, the net worths, and the rich list standings of players throughout the game. Note that I have removed the inactive players from the graphs to reduce crowdedness. Graphs including Anaxagore’s data are included later. Player’s data lines are the colour of their original mask. [spoiler=Account Balance][img]https://i.ibb.co/cb4thns/Account-Balance-graph.png[/img] Account balances fluctuated rapidly due to changes of Regime and spending. Not much info here to be honest but you can clearly see when people got their Mayor bonuses.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Net Worth][img]https://i.ibb.co/HPFhZRW/Net-Worth-graph.png[/img] Net worth was more telling. I only kept data for net worth at the start of each morning phase, since that is what the town rich list was based from. Nearly all losses in net worth were caused by players buying and using Fake IDs in the same day. There would be many more of these sudden losses of net worth, but those players were often lynched and so the data stops before the loss of net worth can be seen.[/spoiler] [spoiler=Town Rich List][img]https://i.ibb.co/Rz3bS25/Rich-List-graph.png[/img] Anaxagore is included in this one. Predictably he took the number 1 spot as soon as purchases could be made. It can be seen that generally, the rich players remained rich and the poor players remained poor throughout the game. This is mostly due to the lack of thefts attempted by knife or brick.[/spoiler][/spoiler] [spoiler=What Went Down]Game Synopsis: The game started off with lots of confusion, no-one really understanding how to find mafia. I deliberately provided non-town players with the town win clause to try and stop the game being based solely off fake Role PM mistakes (after all, I had invested heavily in complex game mechanics). Anaxagore tried to use this to gain everyone’s trust – which only worked momentarily. After producing questionable fake Role PMs, paulcha and Anaxagore fell under scrutiny from attentive players. Paulcha #EXAMINED Anaxagore’s financial records and saw that Anaxagore had lied about his Role PM. When confronting Anaxagore, Paulcha was forced to admit that he had also faked his own Role PM, and then accidentally revealed his neutral win clause to Anaxagore. Anaxagore seized the opportunity to work together with Paulcha to maximise his own chances of avoiding suspicion and surviving until the end. Anaxagore suggested that Paulcha pretend to be the Store Owner and provide evidence against mafia, so as to gain the trust of the town. Anaxagore gave Paulcha full access to the list of purchases so that Paulcha could post it in the forums “proving” he was the Store Owner. He also told Paulcha his mask colour so people would see everything they expected when buying things. Effectively, Anaxagore and Paulcha swapped roles, masks, positions… everything… without ever actually changing a thing. It was a great move for Paulcha since it saved him from a lynch and gained some temporary trust, but for Anaxagore it was a master-stroke – the crazy revelation that Paulcha was Store Owner diverted all suspicion away from Anaxagore, and yet he still had a bulging bank account and inventory from being the real Store Owner. They decided to frame Elysium5 by making up a purchase of a Protective Vest and accusing him to be mafia. This was incredibly unlucky for the mafia, since Elysium5 had come up with a flawless Role PM (exactly the same as the inactive Jimmy1066’s PM) and could have deceived the town for a long time. On the other hand, it was extremely lucky for the townies and for the neutrals, since they now found themselves more trusted. The lynch war that followed completely blew the cover of the remaining mafia due to their blatant alliance with Elysium5. Somehow people became convinced that Hoodlum was a neutral, and he was lynched the following day. This was strange to see because hoodlum was spot on with his suspects and yet the neutrals didn’t even need to use Fake IDs to get him lynched. With the mafia struggling to make nightkills (everyone stayed inside their houses) and the Store Owner (Anaxagore pretending Paulcha was doing everything) stockpiling Fake IDs, the rest of the game continued somewhat inevitably towards Anaxagore’s victory. Paulcha may have snatched it from Anaxagore by stealing his stuff during the night time but he was fatefully lynched by players eager for Store Ownership. Despite the power of Fake IDs, the game boiled down to a close finish after AlexCheckMate led an unlikely alliance between townies and mafia to try and kill Anaxagore. With Anaxagore homeless and limited to one cane, it became possible to knifesteal from him if two people coordinated their actions. With their two night actions, AlexCheckMate and Muzthebus looked for a Leaf Green and an Orange masked victim… but Anaxagore was wearing a fflufffy lllaama mask that night, and so fortunately survived, and drew the game clinically to its close. Perhaps the town and mafia should have realised at an earlier stage that buying Fake IDs was not a viable strategy… it was merely giving their money to the hostile neutral for no net benefit (Fake IDs cancelled out by the Store Owner’s). They could have launched a coordinated attack to #IGNITE Anaxagore’s home and steal his things before it was too late. But Anaxagore’s pretended swap with Paulcha may have protected him from this anyway. [spoiler=MVP??]MVP goes to Anaxagore, since he was the only winner. He played very well indeed - faking Paulcha as the Store Owner was a masterstroke that probably was the main reason he ended up winning and not being targeted earlier in the game. Also, using the Revival Elixir as evidence for his faked Role PM was a cunning move. Trying to earn the trust of the town with the town win clause in the early game was also a nice strategy. Despite the fact that Hoodlum was the first to sus most things out, town MVP goes to AlexCheckMate, whose instincts and logic were almost flawless throughout the game. And his communication with fellow townies via the forum could have proved invaluable. Cunning exploitation of capitalism and sneaky manipulation ensured that he survived until the very last phase despite his constant low funding. Well played. The mafia struggled due to players remaining inside at night, but no-one realised that they could each target two mask colours each night with their knives if they wanted. It was also strange to see them blow their cover so blatantly trying to save Elysium5 from the lynch. Nonetheless the mafia survived until the endgame and had a good chance to steal the win at the end. Mayba's calculated guidance was key in their survival hopes, especially as the game went on. I disagree with the labelling of players as wooden spoon. Completely unnecessary to rub salt into the wound in my opinion. But if I had to choose one, it would have to be Huskers01, purely because his Role would have been amazingly valuable if commanded by an active player. In such a tight game, inspecting Anaxagore early would probably have brought the town a win.[/spoiler][/spoiler] [spoiler=Mistakes and Flaws]Mistakes and Flaws: So I did make a small mistake near the start of the game by reporting the Store Owner’s mask colour to Hoodlum even though he was colour-blind. This may have slightly increased suspicion upon home, and although I don’t think it really affected the game I can only apologise for my error. Also, when I made the Spray Paints buy one get one free at the dawn of a Capitalist regime, a certain AlexCheckMate realised that the Capitalist income bonus for Items essentially made them free, so he bought 8 cans (with all his coins). Fair play I guess, that was very clever haha. Flaws though. There were a few: The most obvious was the seemingly infinite supply of Fake IDs to the Store Owner, essentially making him unlynchable. If the town had really thought about it, they could have starved the Store Owner of his income and lynched him. But in the heat of the moment, players gave in and tried to buy themselves out of trouble every single time. Solution: limit players to one Fake ID per day. Related was the problem that the Store Owner became too rich (see graph with Anaxagore included). Solution: Store Owner only receives half of the coins spent in the Store. [spoiler=Account Balance (including Anaxagore)][img]https://i.ibb.co/K0MnSdP/Account-Balance-graph-Anax.png[/img][/spoiler] Another flaw was the seemingly invincible combination of Protective Vest and staying outside. Immunity to Oil and Knives… only poison could threaten them, with time to buy an antidote. Yes it was over-powered but the way around it was to steal the Protective Vest… not easy and needs changing. Another one: players had little incentive to leave their homes at night, so mafia struggled to make kills. The town limited its ability to discover mafia by staying inside, but nonetheless they preferred the protection. Solution: reduce the price of Oil to increase the risk of staying home. Solution: introduce an Item/ability to threaten people who are inside, or to force people to come outside. Finally, the #DEAL for information was fundamentally flawed and needed removing.[/spoiler] [b]Please, please, PLEEEEEASE give feedback on flaws, potential improvements or even just unrelated suggestions. Would you be interested in playing this format again in the future?[/b] It was good fun hosting, thanks for your participation!

It was a really cool theme. This is the 2nd time that anaxagore has won as a neutral and well done! similar circumstance..he manages to get rid of me in a lynch with town players and their bad gut instincts. both times it looked obvious what town had to do after death but they just can't get it together. not so obvious i guess. but gotta take my hat off to anax. I disagree with the wooden spoon thing. dough deserves it for sure, and i'm not being mean,. he can own up to this one. he's called out bad plays and players before from frustration, such as kyla, and vicious in past games. my mistake was missing out on a night phase that seemed super quick. two hours it seemed? and i didn't get to run for mayor. dough became default mayor. getting rid of me, even if he thought i was mafia, was just terrible. mafia hadn't even made a kill, and i could actually be the rich power townie. there were two neutrals, and paulcha could have flipped..infact we find out that he was working with anax. i had made a point of this during that lynch day. it was a no brainer. get rid of paulcha, and at the time we thought shop position was town. if that didn't happen, then you'd know who the other neutral was (hostile or non)..anaxagore and his dodgy role, that dough had picked up on earlier. i know when anaxagore is suspicious, cause he never trusts me when he's an actual town member in games :) alex played really well.

Actually it is the first time I win as neutral. The other time I won alone, I was a mafia member but there were two mafia families (i had lost my partners pretty fast). If Paulcha had been lynched instead of Hoodlum, town would have busted me in a second because he was still wearing the leef green mask. We wanted to swap but the night before (just after we lynched elysium) Paul didn't have enough money to do it. This game was awesome Virtuosity. I think the idea of being able to buy items is a really cool idea, making it possible for anyone to do anything. About the few flaws, yes i had too much money too fast. The way I had to spend money in case of socialism was also a bit complex. Otherwise everything looked good. [u]To make things even more exciting, my ideas are:[/u] -CCTV report all actions. -Doused houses should not be notified (push people to buy CCTV). -Poison kills the next night (i thought about using it but two nights was just too long). -Mafia should have a power to kill within homes (if the person is not there they miss). -Anyone can knifekill (take justice into your own hands)? -Maybe an inspector who can see who holds which mask at night? -A permanent hallucinogen at the store? -Maybe an expensive sniper to kill protective vest owner? Anyway these are just details, the global game was really fun. Thanks for having taken the time to answer all my questions Virt.

I was wondering if there was a cop...guess it was Huskers. I agree, the shop owner got too much money too fast...and that coupled with knowing who bought what was really powerful. Yes, my gut was wrong, but it was also reinforced by my discussion with Syg who didn't even vote.

First of all thanks for hosting such and thrilling and exciting mafia game V98. since this was my second game i found alot of things strange and coulndt figure out what exacly i could do and not. i read the roles and everything posted, but i guess this comes with more experince of these kind of games. i like the 3phases. it was very hard killing pp imo. u came to some great conclusions about the storeowner problem and other faults that may have been. i could how ever like to see something about the inactive players role in the game, won't know how to deal with that. it just seems hard and felt limited in the game that a few didnt paticipate at all. this is not to disbute the fact that u can get occupied in the real world for what ever reason, but idk what can be done with this. i truly enjoyd it and can't wait to the next mafia game.

I'll start with quoting Muzthebus and agreeing with him: [quote=Muzthebus]First of all thanks for hosting such a thrilling and exciting mafia game V98.[/quote] And to add to that - thanks everyone else for participating - a host without players aint much fun either ;) =) Although I was dissatisfied at quite a number of times for all kinds of reasons, the game did excite me. Overal the feeling is positive. To mention a few things that in my opinion could really use another "look over" (more here: https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3084/money-and-masks-game-thread/post/54462#post-54462 and just overal in that thread :p): [list] [li]Inactivety. I understand that this isn't something which is caused by the host, however, I do feel the gamesetup should be such that it deals with it, rather than leaving the remaining players with the problem. In a pro-active way, the host can check before the game starts whether the signed up players are still up for it. Considering the players are supposed to be doing stuff at least daily, the host can take 1 or 2 days to allow for the players to respond on his last call, to check whether they're still game. That should already eliminate the inactiveness of players right of the bat (which was the thing in this game). Furthermore, for inactivety that occurs DURING the game, it should be evaluated on a case by case basis, perhaps some replacements could help. When such a solution is frowned upon, certain skills of important roles could be transferable (e.g. have 1/more 'learning' townies (not in the sense as you had in this game :p), which have as a secondary skill that they can take over someone else's skills, when it turns out the skill isn't being used).[/li] [li]Little communication in the thread (I mean that relatively). Just about everything was arranged through PMs - this is not how mafia/werewolves is meant to be played. The main thought behind the game is that almost all the information one gets, is obtained as individuals and, if so desired (/at the right time), publicly shared with everyone else - this thus also ensures that everyone knows who the source of the info is; the source is accountable. Information running behind the scenes should only be allowed for role specific exceptions (e.g. mafia and for town maybe a twin or something) and by means of spraypaint, info can also be shared anonymously (in this limited setup, that adds to the game).[/li] [li]Overpowered roles/items/positions. Store Owner. Do I even need to get into this? Nah. (Unlimited) Fake Identities.[/li] [li]Underpowered roles/items. In a sense...... all the roles that received only 1 coin/day..... and kind of all the items except for the fake identity xD I don't even understand the first aid kit.... [/li] [li]Overal mechanics at times. Just like you mentioned yourself; killing was rather.... hard (combination if skills of roles & items). Also a special mention here for the Fake IDs... how they effected the deadlines....... no good - needs a different implementation[/li] [li]Changes while the game is running... just too many of them...stuff should be clear/tested/verified/validated from the start on - exceptions remain of course. Certain abilities/actions/options/etc were rather ambiguous.[/li] [li]Day lengths. Too long for my taste - especially considering there wasn't all that much 'going on' - mightve maybe even combined the phase for picking mayor and lynching.... Perhaps with a 1h window in between them - updatewise (so, you can still perform both your things in the same moment, but after the election has been run, there's a small window in which changes can occur, if so desired - certainly in the start of the game, one will not dare to make very sudden movements, as one is likely to get punished for such actions in the next phase).[/li] [li]Information deal - I wanted to '(ab)use' this soooooooo very much...... but was never allowed :([/li] [/list] I suppose that's about it, for what I can think of now. As for stuff that I (really) enjoyed - always end with the positive ;) [list] [li]Very enthusiastic host. Very friendly. Very helpful. Very active/responsive. Very willing. Very..... etc ^^[/li] [li]Spraypaints - 'nuff said.[/li] [li]#36 <3[/li] [li]Creative writing[/li] [li]You seem to have made graphs.... lol.... nerd.... #IFullyApprove:D[/li] [li]An attempt to make the roles less important - currency introduced - concept is cool; just not all that satisfied with how it turned out :p (Store Owner? :D)[/li] [/list] As for the MVP to Anax..... I can fully understand and agree with it - afterall, he did win the game. But I also think that is more to blame to town being so incredibly .... weird? :D rather than Anax making the best possible moves :p https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3084/money-and-masks-game-thread/post/53948#post-53948 - roleclaim by Anaxagore https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3084/money-and-masks-game-thread/post/53951#post-53951 - full on #rage response on Anax' blatant #$%$%$ role claim.... https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3084/money-and-masks-game-thread/post/53963#post-53963 - asking host to respond on his roleclaim....... that's just..... #NO. I truly can't believe he managed to survive that.... yes, he got very lucky with syg coming out as inventor with an elixer... but #1 he didnt know about this happening, #2, it shouldn't have kept him alive xD that role was just too much.... I would've never let that happen if I was known to the community here, but now I wasn't... so I just had to tag along.... there was a whole lot in this game that I just 'allowed' to happen, as it became rather apparent there was nothing I could do against it... I also do not understand why/how paulcha ended up siding with Anax..... him being the neutral...... he could side with anyone....... especially when he found out about Anax and all the mafiosi out in the open => just side with town and have a walk in the park. His winclause makes no difference here. [quote=Virtuosity98]The game started off with lots of confusion, no-one really understanding how to find mafia. I deliberately provided non-town players with the town win clause to try and stop the game being based solely off fake Role PM mistakes (after all, I had invested heavily in complex game mechanics). Anaxagore tried to use this to gain everyone’s trust – which only worked momentarily.[/quote] Not sure on what you base that noone understood how to find the mafia..... seems obvious to me that you should not expect to find the mafia on the first day/s? :p They'll be found later on, when mistakes are made. Your deliberate seed of the town win-clause... very peculiar... especially with you naming it a mistake in the thread..... now what was it? Either way - I'm not too happy about it. Seems to me the mistake was that you allowed so much communcation, which people could 'abuse' to find out with a great amount of certainty whether players belonged to town or not... which should indeed not be possible, so you 'solved' it with that? One can see (in PMs and thread) that I was very much against the idea and only participated to a minimum extent... Anax' play to 'switch roles' with paulcha was ofc total mastermind - clap clap (just strange that paulcha went along with it...). The weird protective vest thing... mafia? No clue why that worked...... from my side, it was just another lynch - had nothing against Ely... when he died as a mafia, it was however rather easy to see the other ones.... they did not play that right. The moment were I managed to get paulcha lynched was imo also rather questionable... very strange that it was allowed to just change the fake votes and to have the deadline extend in such a fashion... rather unjust demise for paulcha... but hey... i had to take all i could ;d Then it was in my eyes fully obvious, once again, that Anax was the other guy we had to go after (assuming paulcha 'sold' his store owner position - as opposed to reality where he apparently never had it ;d).... but unfortunately, I did not get any support... so that also went down the drain again :D no matter how perfect my logic could be - it would not be accepted. The 'partnership' with the mafia was also very strange... I discovered that I understood just about nothing of their ideas :p was hard to get to plans with them xD So far for my 2 cents.... -Alex

[b]Little communication in the thread (I mean that relatively). Just about everything was arranged through PMs - this is not how mafia/werewolves is meant to be played. The main thought behind the game is that almost all the information one gets, is obtained as individuals and, if so desired (/at the right time), publicly shared with everyone else - this thus also ensures that everyone knows who the source of the info is; the source is accountable. Information running behind the scenes should only be allowed for role specific exceptions (e.g. mafia and for town maybe a twin or something) and by means of spraypaint, info can also be shared anonymously (in this limited setup, that adds to the game).[/b] This is impossible to expect in this day and age with so many means of sharing information either on or off the site. To try and limit PM's and keep most of the discussion in the forums only helps players who don't care much about rules and will keep playing outside the box anyway. It is something that must be dealt with by evolving with the technology that surrounds us. I really don't see much of a problem with the use of PM's anyway as you need to be involved to know what's going on and this helps ensure that players are. Those who are not communicating with each other and are solely relying on the forum conversations are only playing part of the game anyway, and vice versa. To me, this is a whole dynamic in itself parsing through both the conversations in the forums and conversations through PM's. It is a good way to both collect and spread information, both true and false. Whichever helps your team win.

[quote=elysium5][b]Little communication in the thread (I mean that relatively). Just about everything was arranged through PMs - this is not how mafia/werewolves is meant to be played. The main thought behind the game is that almost all the information one gets, is obtained as individuals and, if so desired (/at the right time), publicly shared with everyone else - this thus also ensures that everyone knows who the source of the info is; the source is accountable. Information running behind the scenes should only be allowed for role specific exceptions (e.g. mafia and for town maybe a twin or something) and by means of spraypaint, info can also be shared anonymously (in this limited setup, that adds to the game).[/b] This is impossible to expect in this day and age with so many means of sharing information either on or off the site. To try and limit PM's and keep most of the discussion in the forums only helps players who don't care much about rules and will keep playing outside the box anyway. It is something that must be dealt with by evolving with the technology that surrounds us.[/quote] Code of honour? I've got no issue just trusting people to play by the rules oO People who get caught cheating => kicked out (for other games too)? [quote=elysium5]I really don't see much of a problem with the use of PM's anyway as you need to be involved to know what's going on and this helps ensure that players are. Those who are not communicating with each other and are solely relying on the forum conversations are only playing part of the game anyway, and vice versa.[/quote] Because like that, there could be select groups that gather all the information. Some people will always be more active than others - activity should not be awarded too much. Next to this, accountability comes more into play. Everyone will know for a fact who said what, rather than just 'trust' what people share from PMs or whatever. Do not think the PM part needs to be present/big. [quote=elysium5]To me, this is a whole dynamic in itself parsing through both the conversations in the forums and conversations through PM's. It is a good way to both collect and spread information, both true and false. Whichever helps your team win.[/quote] I guess we agree to disagree :P might just be personal preference =d -Alex

Another point to make is that the mafia games were brought back to life here with the intention of recruiting players new to mafia by playing more basic games and being a little less strict with the rules. While complicated games can be fun for experienced players, those without much experience and especially those who can't sit at their computers 24/7 in order to be active constantly but would like to learn and participate as they can need these games to be a little more relaxed and accommodating to them as well. We actually agreed to host both simple and complicated games back and forth just so both inexperienced players can be introduced to this awesome game and more experienced players can enjoy the complicated one's as well. Shout out to everyone here, the host, the players and the discussions on how to improve the game are always good things to talk about but just remember one thing; mistakes will be made playing and mistakes will be made hosting but the biggest mistake is to take the fun out of a game by trying to make it perfect all of the time. I would say that's my 2 cents but I spent all of my money at the store;)