12 Player Contest

To make things more clear using the names of the players. Mediterranean States [url=http://dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566008]Game A[/url] == maafi, 4960epic, Sygmassacre, aeronautic, Hoodlum, Cireon [url=http://dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566010]Game B[/url] == Matty, Fendi, Henris_1, The_Bishop, emjaydee, supiachao Westeros & Essos [url=http://dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566013]Game C[/url] == maafi, Fendi, Henris_1, aeronautic, emjaydee, Cireon [url=http://dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566016]Game D[/url] == Matty, 4960epic, Sygmassacre, The_Bishop, Hoodlum, supiachao ------------ We have very high skilled players here, 5 of them are in the top 12 for real and 1 got really close. So suggest me please what to do for the 4p final game. I would like map and settings that let the game go without fall in a stalemate. The previous experiment was a 4p game in World Classic map very strategic and epic, but it never saw the end and at some point one of the four left the game throwing it in a even deeper stalemate. Someone thought that if he wouldn't have left the game would have been finished, but I doubt it. Capitals gametype maybe would help a bit, but not so much I guess. [spoiler=Domination would be better even if it is not so popular.]From my experience I can say that if you set a domination game with increasing cards then it's mostly a matter of luck, if you just get a turn-in in the right moment with the value high enough then you win pretty easy. Then I tried with medium-high capped cards (half of the map size) and didn't change so much, also because people usually fail to protect their own territories. Then I tried with low capped cards (10, 12, 15) in map of medium size and I was surprised to see those games working pretty well and never stalemated even with people playing them well. Really I must say I still saw several failing shots, sometimes also by me, because calculate how many troops you need to conquer a certain number of territories (in a Dom game) is usually harder than calculate how many you need to kill someone (in a D.M. game). You normally cannot deploy all your troops in one territory when you want do a "domination shot" you normally need to deploy in many places finding everywhere on the map there are territories that are "easier" (less protected) than the others. I would say that nobody of us is really expert of Domination games because we don't play many of them. This could be the key to avoid the stalemate. But still I think in case of very good players they are able to manage the situation pretty well. So very low capped cards wouldn't work properly. I think cap at 15 in a medium size map might be good. I didn't mention there are 2 main methods to win a domination game. The first is at your turn you simply turn in and go for territories. The second is the "fly-by" i.e. you kill someone (sometimes you just need few troops more than him) and then with a double turn-in, or even single, you just get few troops that you need to conquer some territories more, enough to achieve the victory.[/spoiler] So, tell me what you think guys.

Yes, so this the other main reason why I am not a favourite of the mini tourneys, the 4 player final. One could start the 4 games using 1 caps 1 deathmatch and then a final domination, although if possible I'd like to keep it increasing deathmatches. Still, the risk on a stalemate is defenitely there, as we get a bit too good at staying alive and protect others from a kill, so a low capped (or fixed card) domination game could solve that.

Wow Matty, that's a very good point! It would be a fair way to include all gametypes. Capitals is a setting loved by many. And if the final Domination game must be with capped cards then the DM games might be with advanced increasing cards. To include different card options. Well, they can be ideas for the next experiment.

I just noted that the 12p contest does not have advanced cards. Good players should be able to handle them without suiciding. I don't play caps often, so maybe pros have normal cards there, but for a increasing deathmatch you defenitely should have advanced cards. Much more can happen, much less chance on a stalemate. Apart from that, I like balanced dice. Why does nobody ever use them?

I usually set all my games [u]increasing[/u] with [u]normal dice[/u], just because I think they are the most standard settings. But I don't deny to join games with [u]advanced increasing[/u] cards and [u]balanced dice[/u]. In fact I feel balanced dice are not really needed... It's kind of a philosophycal matter, dice were born to be random, why should I limit their randomness? However in this case could be more suitable because it is a tourney and we want the skills to come up more than the luck. For the Advanced cards I trust your experience, @Matty, we can apply it in the final game. Anyway for capitals, especially with 6 or more players, I would say advanced cards should be avoided because it produces catastrophic effects.

We already have the first victims, but not any winners yet. Anyway stay tuned, they are probably coming soon! ------------ [i]Here the 4 games in progress:[/i] [b]Mediterranean States[/b] [url=http://dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566008]Game A[/url] == maafi, 4960epic, Sygmassacre, aeronautic, Hoodlum, Cireon [url=http://dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566010]Game B[/url] == Matty, Fendi, Henris_1, The_Bishop, emjaydee, supiachao [b]Westeros & Essos[/b] [url=http://dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566013]Game C[/url] == maafi, Fendi, Henris_1, aeronautic, emjaydee, Cireon [url=http://dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566016]Game D[/url] == Matty, 4960epic, Sygmassacre, The_Bishop, Hoodlum, supiachao ------------ As for the [b]Final Game[/b], this tourney began as [b]Deathmatch[/b] and I would finish it the same way. In case of stalemate we'll try something different. Then for the next run I wish we can try mixed gametypes as suggested by Matty. As a map choice, [b]United States[/b] can stay for me, the most popular in that size, excluding World Classic, also popular is [b]World Modified[/b] similar to the Classic but fairer, otherwise 11 starting territories should propel the fight a bit more, then [b]Balkan Peninsula[/b] can be good, or, less popular, [b]New Zealand[/b]. The latter also has a good connectivity provided by ports and it gives less chance for players to protect each other. [u]I can't decide if cards should be normal or advanced, and dice should be standard or balanced.[/u] I will let the majority decide.

Note: ports and the domination game type is not a very good combination IMO, so preferably not New Zealand for a final. If it's a 4 player deathmatch the cards should be advanced, to prevent some extra possibilities for a stalemate I think. As always, I prefer balanced dice, but I'm ok with it if the others want the original dice instead.

http://www.dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566010 This one is done. I fluked a win :D

Congrats Captain Mjd! ;)

http://www.dominating12.com/index.php?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566013 This one is now done also. Fendi bested me at the end :( I shall have my revenge, if she says that's ok :D

Congrats Admiral Fendi! So we have 2 winners now... Waiting for last 2 games to finish. Emjaydee 'risked' to go home with the trophy!

I'm in! What ever happened to just adding 3 colors? http://www.dominating12.com/forum/index.php?cmd=topic&act=view&id=1688&page=2#post-22793 I leave for one long messy divorce, and everyone forgets all my posts. :D @Bishop, I even had a post for new colored ranks somewhere. I can't find it though. I love the ones you made.

I believe a 12 player game is in everybody's mind. But there are serious problems how to implement that. You have to change the game interface to fit 12 players. And you have to change the rules of the game a little bit. I think 9 players is already a bit too high for increasing games and I imagine with 12 players in the ring things can get absurd. The major problem is the turn-in value growing too fast in the first 'turn-in round'. I might suggest maybe to change it from: 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50... to: 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 8, 8, 8, 8, 10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 15, and then to follow the normal rule.

I wish there was a like post button. That's exactly how I would handle the bonus turn in, but yeah I totally understand. Once turn ins get moderately high, if your turn goes by, you're done. Not much skill there as much as timing when everyone is decent. I think a year ago when I was pushing 12 was for better team games. 4 teams of 3, 3 teams of 4, 6 teams of 2, etc.

And we have a 3rd finalist: congrats Colonel maafi! http://www.dominating12.com/?cmd=game&sec=play&id=566008 Waiting for last game to finish...