Mafia D12 Style GAME THREAD

I was just now reviewing Rock's message he sent about his new ability and saw some weird stuff... [quote=Rockbert][quote=anuorre]I will admit this is such a confusing game. I don't even know what jailed means. Can I shoot him? This is so confusing. If he is mafia can he kill someone? [/quote] Why would you want to shoot me when you see that I have been confirmed town? And for that matter, what the heck happened here over the last phase that I somehow rose to the top of everyone's mafia list? I haven't done anything dodgy in this game at all. I have provided thoughtful analysis and opinion to try and ferret out the scumbag mafia, who by the way are having their way with this whole group. Somehow I got turned around to being untrustworthy? Makes zero sense. Here is my full and unedited ORIGINAL Role PM: [quote]Message: Rokbert Role PM MD12S From: 2ofclubs To: Rockbert 2ofclubs said: 21 Nov 2023, 16:20 8. Rockbert ROLE: Silver - Town Captain aka Staff Support with 2 blue cards. ABILITIES: 1. Night phase you can select a player to save (you can save yourself but not consecutively). 2. Day 1x you can select a player to redirect his/her vote or action on back to him/her. Random if applical. WC: Your faction wins when all Mafia are eliminated - You need not be alive. [/quote] Now, because I have come back from the dead I have a different role, but NOT a different faction. Also, my abilities are not the same. I will post some of this, but not all for obvious reasons. [quote] Rockbert said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:03 I am alive right? And thank you! :) Has my role changed at all? 2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:05 You do not have your old role [u]besides being Town[/u]. [i]Could Rock have added this tag on the end?[/i] 2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:43 16. [u]Xxxxx[/u] Town [u]Discharged [/u][u]Teal[/u] No-rank aka Long term - with XX XX cards. [i]What is under these x's? His color is listed as teal later. Also says he's "discharged" but is allegedly still in jail?[/i] Abilities: 1x night XXXX 1x day XXXX [i]Abilities are listed but without numbers (i.e. 1. 1x nigh XXXX)[/i] WC: You win when all Mafia are eliminated. You need not be alive. [/quote][/quote] My notes are in italics, underlined is stuff I thought was weird. Rock you were asking for me to share my full PM - but I already did. How about you give us yours

[quote=ThickTalon]Sorry you feel bad. The last person in this game that agreed with me and said they would follow my lead was A Mafia Dominator, Jacob has been asking similar questions and "following" a known town Dominator. I was blocked at the last min yesterday night after Jacob mentioned a late usage of his ability. [b]#Lynch Jacob[/b][/quote] Following you because you're the most confirmed town. I did the same last game with 2ofClubs and that worked really well. If I had a block, why would I wait to last minute to block you? Why would I even block you at all if I was mafia? This conclusion feels kind of weak to me. We've got to work it out if we're going to get mafia out of here.

[quote=ThickTalon]Sorry you feel bad. The last person in this game that agreed with me and said they would follow my lead was A Mafia Dominator, Jacob has been asking similar questions and "following" a known town Dominator. I was blocked at the last min yesterday night after Jacob mentioned a late usage of his ability. [b]#Lynch Jacob[/b][/quote] @Jacob, before I put my votes anywhere, can you explain why it was a late usage?

[quote=Crywolf][quote=ThickTalon]Sorry you feel bad. The last person in this game that agreed with me and said they would follow my lead was A Mafia Dominator, Jacob has been asking similar questions and "following" a known town Dominator. I was blocked at the last min yesterday night after Jacob mentioned a late usage of his ability. [b]#Lynch Jacob[/b][/quote] @Jacob, before I put my votes anywhere, can you explain why it was a late usage?[/quote] I used it late because I wanted to avoid being blocked by whoever Thick told me to investigate. For the record, it worked and I wasn't blocked or tampered with, unlike you.

[b]#Lynch Jacob[/b]

nice attempt in covering yourself up

[quote=Jacob24]I was just now reviewing Rock's message he sent about his new ability and saw some weird stuff... [quote=Rockbert][quote=anuorre]I will admit this is such a confusing game. I don't even know what jailed means. Can I shoot him? This is so confusing. If he is mafia can he kill someone? [/quote] Why would you want to shoot me when you see that I have been confirmed town? And for that matter, what the heck happened here over the last phase that I somehow rose to the top of everyone's mafia list? I haven't done anything dodgy in this game at all. I have provided thoughtful analysis and opinion to try and ferret out the scumbag mafia, who by the way are having their way with this whole group. Somehow I got turned around to being untrustworthy? Makes zero sense. Here is my full and unedited ORIGINAL Role PM: [quote]Message: Rokbert Role PM MD12S From: 2ofclubs To: Rockbert 2ofclubs said: 21 Nov 2023, 16:20 8. Rockbert ROLE: Silver - Town Captain aka Staff Support with 2 blue cards. ABILITIES: 1. Night phase you can select a player to save (you can save yourself but not consecutively). 2. Day 1x you can select a player to redirect his/her vote or action on back to him/her. Random if applical. WC: Your faction wins when all Mafia are eliminated - You need not be alive. [/quote] Now, because I have come back from the dead I have a different role, but NOT a different faction. Also, my abilities are not the same. I will post some of this, but not all for obvious reasons. [quote] Rockbert said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:03 I am alive right? And thank you! :) Has my role changed at all? 2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:05 You do not have your old role [u]besides being Town[/u]. [i]Could Rock have added this tag on the end?[/i] 2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:43 16. [u]Xxxxx[/u] Town [u]Discharged [/u][u]Teal[/u] No-rank aka Long term - with XX XX cards. [i]What is under these x's? His color is listed as teal later. Also says he's "discharged" but is allegedly still in jail?[/i] Abilities: 1x night XXXX 1x day XXXX [i]Abilities are listed but without numbers (i.e. 1. 1x nigh XXXX)[/i] WC: You win when all Mafia are eliminated. You need not be alive. [/quote][/quote] My notes are in italics, underlined is stuff I thought was weird. Rock you were asking for me to share my full PM - but I already did. How about you give us yours[/quote] I have shared mine, three times now. Look in the forum, getting tired of being asked for it since I am the only person here who has fully divulged. That stuff you thought was weird was what Clubs said, and anyone who knows Clubs in mafia games knows that there is going to be some stuff that does not make sense. History has proven me right on that.

Rock, I have fully shared as well. You're correct that Clubs mixes things up sometimes and I believe that you could fabricate a better fake than that if you tried. I'm just trying to hit all the angles. My Role PM from post 1069: [quote=Jacob24][quote]21 Nov 2023, 16:20 7. Jacob24 ROLE: Purple - Town Private aka Avoided with 1 red and 1 green card. ABILITIES: 1. You begin with no abilities. 2. Whenever another townie dies, you may choose one of their abilities to make you're own for a single use. If all ability uses are depleted then your attempt to use the ability will fail. WC: Your faction wins when all Mafia are dead - You need not be alive. Jacob24 said: 21 Nov 2023, 21:09 Will you tell me if there are uses remaining on the abilities? 2ofclubs said: 21 Nov 2023, 21:14 No, You will be given options from me in PM which you will choose from. Jacob24 said: 21 Nov 2023, 21:15 Huh, alright. Jacob24 said: 01 Dec 2023, 01:52 Can I take an ability from Ryo and Ely now that they're dead? 2ofclubs said: 01 Dec 2023, 01:59 "Whenever another townie dies, you may choose one of their abilities to make you're own" Ryo was neutral and Ely was a mafia Jacob24 said: 01 Dec 2023, 02:03 Oh well, was worth a try. :) Jacob24 said: 02 Dec 2023, 15:34 Why am I "Avoided"? It doesn't really match my ability I don't think. How exactly were roles, colors, and numbers randomized? 2ofclubs said: 02 Dec 2023, 16:06 Names and roles put in hatS. Diced roled to pick Colors (some mod adjustments i.e. blue got blue but I didn't want that connectivity). Card color placement & qty by dice (some mod adjustments ie 1 player got 2 wilds & 1 color was heavy so I manual adjusted to balance color split. When calling chats etc by card color, dice decide what card to use. If chat had more than 4 players, again dice decided participants. I have also said this game is a players game not a mods. Hinted to in post 1 with abilities may skew etc mods reply. 2ofclubs said: 04 Dec 2023, 09:49 Anax died, he was a townie. You may choose to take one of his abilities for a single use: 1. 1x ability, #PEAK at a player's cards, Nights will return an ability and Day a faction. Jacob24 said: 04 Dec 2023, 09:58 Lol, just the one option? I suppose I'll take it 2ofclubs said: 04 Dec 2023, 10:03 Noted. Updated Role: 7. Jacob24 ROLE: Purple - Town Private aka Avoided with 1 red and 1 green card. ABILITIES: 1. You begin with no abilities. 2. Whenever another townie dies, you may choose one of their abilities to make you're own for a single use. If all ability uses are depleted then your attempt to use the ability will fail. 3. 1x ability, #PEAK at a player's cards, Nights will return an ability and Day a faction. WC: Your faction wins when all Mafia are dead - You need not be alive. Jacob24 said: 04 Dec 2023, 10:12 It won't be shared with another townie? Why not? 2ofclubs said: 04 Dec 2023, 10:21 No - can't say [/quote][/quote]

Had a rough slumber, going to take a wee. But just before I do, [b]#lynch Jacob[/b] Now time to let loose that bladder and back to the 2nd half of my slumber....

Currently at the start of the 4th quarter: 1 Rock - [s]Thick,[/s] Blue 1 Npat - Mada 1 KC - Jacob 3 Jacob - Anuorre, Cry, Thick

N6/D7 Recap for those who still care what I have to say: Night 6: 1. Last recap from me (1187) [spoiler=Last Recap]D6/N6 FULL Recap: Day 6: 1. Clubs says N5 Ends, 1 player in medical tent (1007) 2. Mada claims he was targetted but was saved by bullet proof vest (1009) 3. KC thinks Thick took shot at Mada (1012) 4. Clubs does a mod correction on Mada's post, seeming to suggest that Mada wasn't actually targetted (I'm assuming mod mistake by Clubs) (1013) 5. Thick says he was "fogged" (assuming his ability was blocked) (1015) 6. Anuorre asks for full reveals and jumps on lynch Rock train with Thick (1022) 7. Clubs gives Anax's role PM (1025) and confirms he was killed by a shot to the back (1035) 8. Crywolf claims his peak on Anuorre was blocked (1028) 9. Jacob shares D6 recap to that point (1039) 10. Jacob shares full role PM (1050), along with updates from Clubs PM (1051), and info on his 1x ability he got from Rock (1053) 11. Crywolf asks about Clubs PM timestamps in Jacob role PM (1055-1060) 12. Anuorre calls out Jacob's timestamps in Clubs PM as well (1061) but calls false alarm upon finding clock change settings (1062) 13. Anuorre requests Jacob change his timestamps and repost Clubs PM ASAP (1064, 1066) 14. Jacob changes time settings and resends all Clubs PMs (1069) 15. Anuorre shares sus list including Rock, Mada, KC, and NPat (1074) 16. NPat posts full Role PM and further PM with Clubs (1078) - WiFi disconnect and card steal 17. Mada posts full Role PM and further PM with Clubs (1079) - Can bring back 1 dead player, has single-use bullet proof vest, has 1x lynch escape 18. Thick requests more info from Mac (1084) 19. Mac says his ability doesn't do anything unless it's a secret, says he will reveal if town wants him to (1091) 20. Jacob asks if he should use his peak tonight and if so, on who (1092) 21. KC says peak Mada (1093) 22. Mada says peak KC (1096) 23. Thick tells Jacob not to say who he's going to peak (1097) 24. Mac says peak Thick (1099) Night 6: 25. As D6 ends, Jacob says he didn't use peak for fear of being blocked like Anax did repeatedly (1102) 26. Clubs posts that Ballot Box is missing (1103) 27. Mada claims that Clubs is waiting to post about Rock being lynched because he can revive him (1109) 28. Thick calls out Jacob for not using Anax's ability (1113) 29. Jacob defends decision to not use Anax's ability (1115) 30. Thick responds to Jacob's defense, calling it "curious" (1118) 31. KC repeats that he knows Mada or Jacob ar mafia, doesn't say how (1120) 32. Jacob lists reasons for holding ability (1121) 33. Anuorre questions win conditions (1122) 34. KC says there are 2 more mafia - Jacob/mada and thick/mac. (1127) - Repeating TLM's claims? 35. Anuorre questions timestamps on Role PMs (1130) 36. Jacob asks about KC's ability (1131) 37. KC says "@Jacob your ego is not your amigo" (1133) 38. Mada asks about KC's ability (1134) 39. KC says he's desperate (1135), questions Mada's ability (1136), gives list of untrustworthy individuals (1137) 40. Thick asks Mac to reveal "what he's found" (1139) - presumably referencing Mac's post 1091 41. Anuorre gives Jacob and Mada as next lynch targets based on what occurs with Rock (1140) 42. Mada says lynching him is a waste because his ability would save him. (1141) 43. Anuorre calls out Jacob's active self defense (1145) 44. Anuorre asks Jacob to investigate Mada (1148) 45. Anuorre questions Mada defending himself using his ability (1150) 46. Jacob says he can investigate tonight but will get an ability not a faction (1153) 47. Anuorre says Jacob should peak Mac instead for Mac's ability (1156) 48. Mada says to wait on investigation until next day when Jacob can get a faction (1158) 49. Mada posts chat with Clubs regarding Rock's revival (1160) 50. Rock returns (1167) 51. Anuorre and Thick ask for Rock's role and information (1168-1170) 52. Rock claims he was disconnected from WiFi last phase and couldn't use forum at all (1171) 53. Clubs clears up that Mada did nothing wrong (presumably in relation to the revival of Rock) but Rock is in jail and untouchable (1174) 54. Clubs says Rock was restrained, is in jail, is alive, but doesn't say if Rock can use abilities or not (1176) 55. Anuorre asks if he's able to shoot Rock (1177) 56. Rock posts full unedited original role, and slightly censored new role. (1181) My notes: 1. Neither Rock nor Mada got officially verified as town. Not saying they're bad, just a note. Clubs chatter regarding Mada's messages seemed to indicate they were legit so Mada has that going for him. 2. Rock's WC is slightly different then the other's I've seen WC: You win when all Mafia are eliminated. You need not be alive. Could just be a Clubs thing, I don't know how much weight this holds. Compare this to your own and other WC's though. 3. KC hasn't shared anything about himself, seems to be dropping accusation based on old data from TLM and Ryomyr - could he be neutral? Based on Ryo's PM we are fairly confident there are at least 3 neutrals. 4. Having read back through the forum and reviewed what Anax said when he was alive, I think that I made the right move in holding the peak ability I got from Anax. It might be the only investigative ability town has if Cry isn't clean, so it needs to be used wisely. 5. Rock was blocked using the WiFi ability which was claimed by NPat, but NPat didn't say anything about cutting off Rock when he was getting lynched. 6. Rock wasn't blocked until 19:08 server time based on the message he sent (1171), but he started getting targeted for lynch at the beginning of the phase. Did he not log on before then maybe? If he did log on, why didn't he defend himself? 7. Anuorre asked if he could shoot Rock, does that mean Anuorre has an ability where he can shoot? Is it likely that 2 townies could have that ability since Thick already has claimed it? 8. I should really be studying for my Calc final but I'm addicted to this game :) :( I might have missed some stuff in my recap but I think it's pretty thorough (took me 45 minutes) I want to hear from KC, NPat, and Anuorre.[/spoiler] 2. Rock responds with long message (asks for Jacob's role PM, floats theory that 2 experienced and maybe one new player are running mafia, calls out strong accusations from anuorre, says he trusts Mada over Thick but likes both. (1188) 3. Jacob references where he already shared role and Clubs PM in posts 1050-1069 (1189) 4. Mada reveals that he got his WiFi turned off but then restored (1191) 5. Thick reveals he is in PM group with KC, Mac, NPat - called by KC who says one of them is mafia - doesn't say who. (1198) 6. NPat says he turned off Mada's WiFi because he believed Mada to be mafia (1203) 7. Rock posts suspicion list including these players in this order: NPat, KC, Anuorre, Blue - with Jacob just off the list, presumably next. 8. Jacob requests that Thick tell him who to investigate with 3 minutes left in phase so there's no time to block (1215) 9. Thick tells Jacob to investigate KC just before phase end. Day 7: 10. Thick says Jacob should have saved ability just after phase end, Jacob says he's waiting on Clubs confirmation (1229-1230) 11. Clubs reports: "The body of Town Anuorre was found in front of his tent". (1241) 12. Cry says he's waiting on investigation results (1246) 13. Clubs announces that Anuorre did not die after all (1248) 14. Jacob reports on his peak ability which Thick told him to use - KC has neutral role. (1253) 15. Mada calls out Jacob as mafia for not being helpful and Jacob responds that he was following Thick's lead (1255-1256) 16. Crywolf posts peak results which says that the results were tampered with before showing KC being neutral (1271) 17. :ninja: (1277) 18. Anuorre targets Jacob as a result of his "meditation under the stars". (1282) 19. Jacob asks clairification on Anuorre's mediation, Anuorre responds with:[quote=anuorre]I can't and I won't. The epiphany comes in waves filled emotions and colors. Vivid and bright in certain instances, and dark and foreboding in others. Yours was filled with pain and sorrow and pleading, but at the heart of it, it was filled with a void - devoid of feelings, warmth and life. [/quote] (1284-1287) 20. Anuorre attacks Rock saying that Clubs never said Anuorre was town so why was Rock saying he was wrong about Anuorre being mafia. NPat agrees with Anuorre. Jacob points out that Clubs did say Anuorre was town in his post 1241. (1291-1301) 21. Anuorre shares messages from Clubs saying that Rock is immune to lynch (1310-1311) 22. Jacob points out some discrepancies in Rock's new role, Rock counters saying Clubs PM is always a bit wack (paraphrasing), Jacob cedes point (1321, 1327-1328) 23. Crywolf jumps on lynch train for no apparent reason (1325-1326) 24. Anuorre wakes up to take a wee and lynch Jacob again (1329) Current Day 7 Lynch Count (per 2ofClubs) 1 Rock - [s]Thick[/s], Blue 1 Npat - Mada 1 KC - Jacob 3 Jacob - Anuorre, Cry, Thick Not sure why all the focus is on me. I asked Thick what to do and then I did what he said. Anuorre meditated under stars and pulled my name out of a hat. Thick getting on the train to lynch me is concerning to me. His reasoning seems a bit rushed. Rock defended well and I feel like if he was going to make a fake role, he would have done a better job. KC is neutral and hasn't defended himself but he's likely not as dangerous with Ryo and TLM gone. I'm keeping my vote on him but I'm open to other options.

[b][size=16px]#Lynch Notorious[/size][/b]

@mac, care to explain why?

[quote=Rockbert][quote=Jacob24]I was just now reviewing Rock's message he sent about his new ability and saw some weird stuff... [quote=Rockbert][quote=anuorre]I will admit this is such a confusing game. I don't even know what jailed means. Can I shoot him? This is so confusing. If he is mafia can he kill someone? [/quote] Why would you want to shoot me when you see that I have been confirmed town? And for that matter, what the heck happened here over the last phase that I somehow rose to the top of everyone's mafia list? I haven't done anything dodgy in this game at all. I have provided thoughtful analysis and opinion to try and ferret out the scumbag mafia, who by the way are having their way with this whole group. Somehow I got turned around to being untrustworthy? Makes zero sense. Here is my full and unedited ORIGINAL Role PM: [quote]Message: Rokbert Role PM MD12S From: 2ofclubs To: Rockbert 2ofclubs said: 21 Nov 2023, 16:20 8. Rockbert ROLE: Silver - Town Captain aka Staff Support with 2 blue cards. ABILITIES: 1. Night phase you can select a player to save (you can save yourself but not consecutively). 2. Day 1x you can select a player to redirect his/her vote or action on back to him/her. Random if applical. WC: Your faction wins when all Mafia are eliminated - You need not be alive. [/quote] Now, because I have come back from the dead I have a different role, but NOT a different faction. Also, my abilities are not the same. I will post some of this, but not all for obvious reasons. [quote] Rockbert said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:03 I am alive right? And thank you! :) Has my role changed at all? 2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:05 You do not have your old role [u]besides being Town[/u]. [i]Could Rock have added this tag on the end?[/i] 2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 03:43 16. [u]Xxxxx[/u] Town [u]Discharged [/u][u]Teal[/u] No-rank aka Long term - with XX XX cards. [i]What is under these x's? His color is listed as teal later. Also says he's "discharged" but is allegedly still in jail?[/i] Abilities: 1x night XXXX 1x day XXXX [i]Abilities are listed but without numbers (i.e. 1. 1x nigh XXXX)[/i] WC: You win when all Mafia are eliminated. You need not be alive. [/quote][/quote] My notes are in italics, underlined is stuff I thought was weird. Rock you were asking for me to share my full PM - but I already did. How about you give us yours[/quote] I have shared mine, three times now. Look in the forum, getting tired of being asked for it since I am the only person here who has fully divulged. That stuff you thought was weird was what Clubs said, and anyone who knows Clubs in mafia games knows that there is going to be some stuff that does not make sense. History has proven me right on that. [/quote] I find it difficult to believe that you started this game with only 1 ability, seems everyone has at least 2 and some 3.

Rock started with 2 according to what you just quoted: ABILITIES: 1. Night phase you can select a player to save (you can save yourself but not consecutively). 2. Day 1x you can select a player to redirect his/her vote or action on back to him/her. Random if applical.