Mafia D12 Style GAME THREAD

[quote=ThickTalon]FFS clubs. You got me. We have tonstart from square one. I will not be kicking anyone tonight because I am lost. Thought I had a grasp but it looks like Clubs has built in town role knowledge for Mafia. The only reveals left are Jacob and Mada but both have given so much thus far. Well done mafia, Town we have some work to do[/quote] I’ll do a full read and recap when I get to my desk in a couple hours. What would you like me to reveal? Real question, not a jab. We won’t get anywhere if we don’t trust a bit so I’m trusting Thick 100% because Anax cleared him and nobody challenged his town dominator role

[b]D6/N6 FULL Recap:[/b] [i][b]Day 6:[/b][/i] 1. Clubs says N5 Ends, 1 player in medical tent (1007) 2. Mada claims he was targetted but was saved by bullet proof vest (1009) 3. KC thinks Thick took shot at Mada (1012) 4. Clubs does a mod correction on Mada's post, seeming to suggest that Mada wasn't actually targetted (I'm assuming mod mistake by Clubs) (1013) 5. Thick says he was "fogged" (assuming his ability was blocked) (1015) 6. Anuorre asks for full reveals and jumps on lynch Rock train with Thick (1022) 7. Clubs gives Anax's role PM (1025) and confirms he was killed by a shot to the back (1035) 8. Crywolf claims his peak on Anuorre was blocked (1028) 9. Jacob shares D6 recap to that point (1039) 10. Jacob shares full role PM (1050), along with updates from Clubs PM (1051), and info on his 1x ability he got from Rock (1053) 11. Crywolf asks about Clubs PM timestamps in Jacob role PM (1055-1060) 12. Anuorre calls out Jacob's timestamps in Clubs PM as well (1061) but calls false alarm upon finding clock change settings (1062) 13. Anuorre requests Jacob change his timestamps and repost Clubs PM ASAP (1064, 1066) 14. Jacob changes time settings and resends all Clubs PMs (1069) 15. Anuorre shares sus list including Rock, Mada, KC, and NPat (1074) 16. NPat posts full Role PM and further PM with Clubs (1078) - WiFi disconnect and card steal 17. Mada posts full Role PM and further PM with Clubs (1079) - Can bring back 1 dead player, has single-use bullet proof vest, has 1x lynch escape 18. Thick requests more info from Mac (1084) 19. Mac says his ability doesn't do anything unless it's a secret, says he will reveal if town wants him to (1091) 20. Jacob asks if he should use his peak tonight and if so, on who (1092) 21. KC says peak Mada (1093) 22. Mada says peak KC (1096) 23. Thick tells Jacob not to say who he's going to peak (1097) 24. Mac says peak Thick (1099) [i][b]Night 6:[/b][/i] 25. As D6 ends, Jacob says he didn't use peak for fear of being blocked like Anax did repeatedly (1102) 26. Clubs posts that Ballot Box is missing (1103) 27. Mada claims that Clubs is waiting to post about Rock being lynched because he can revive him (1109) 28. Thick calls out Jacob for not using Anax's ability (1113) 29. Jacob defends decision to not use Anax's ability (1115) 30. Thick responds to Jacob's defense, calling it "curious" (1118) 31. KC repeats that he knows Mada or Jacob ar mafia, doesn't say how (1120) 32. Jacob lists reasons for holding ability (1121) 33. Anuorre questions win conditions (1122) 34. KC says there are 2 more mafia - Jacob/mada and thick/mac. (1127) - Repeating TLM's claims? 35. Anuorre questions timestamps on Role PMs (1130) 36. Jacob asks about KC's ability (1131) 37. KC says "@Jacob your ego is not your amigo" (1133) 38. Mada asks about KC's ability (1134) 39. KC says he's desperate (1135), questions Mada's ability (1136), gives list of untrustworthy individuals (1137) 40. Thick asks Mac to reveal "what he's found" (1139) - presumably referencing Mac's post 1091 41. Anuorre gives Jacob and Mada as next lynch targets based on what occurs with Rock (1140) 42. Mada says lynching him is a waste because his ability would save him. (1141) 43. Anuorre calls out Jacob's active self defense (1145) 44. Anuorre asks Jacob to investigate Mada (1148) 45. Anuorre questions Mada defending himself using his ability (1150) 46. Jacob says he can investigate tonight but will get an ability not a faction (1153) 47. Anuorre says Jacob should peak Mac instead for Mac's ability (1156) 48. Mada says to wait on investigation until next day when Jacob can get a faction (1158) 49. Mada posts chat with Clubs regarding Rock's revival (1160) 50. Rock returns (1167) 51. Anuorre and Thick ask for Rock's role and information (1168-1170) 52. Rock claims he was disconnected from WiFi last phase and couldn't use forum at all (1171) 53. Clubs clears up that Mada did nothing wrong (presumably in relation to the revival of Rock) but Rock is in jail and untouchable (1174) 54. Clubs says Rock was restrained, is in jail, is alive, but doesn't say if Rock can use abilities or not (1176) 55. Anuorre asks if he's able to shoot Rock (1177) 56. Rock posts full unedited original role, and slightly censored new role. (1181) My notes: 1. Neither Rock nor Mada got officially verified as town. Not saying they're bad, just a note. Clubs chatter regarding Mada's messages seemed to indicate they were legit so Mada has that going for him. 2. Rock's WC is slightly different then the other's I've seen [quote]WC: You win when all Mafia are eliminated. You need not be alive.[/quote] Could just be a Clubs thing, I don't know how much weight this holds. Compare this to your own and other WC's though. 3. KC hasn't shared anything about himself, seems to be dropping accusation based on old data from TLM and Ryomyr - could he be neutral? Based on Ryo's PM we are fairly confident there are at least 3 neutrals. 4. Having read back through the forum and reviewed what Anax said when he was alive, I think that I made the right move in holding the peak ability I got from Anax. It might be the only investigative ability town has if Cry isn't clean, so it needs to be used wisely. 5. Rock was blocked using the WiFi ability which was claimed by NPat, but NPat didn't say anything about cutting off Rock when he was getting lynched. 6. Rock wasn't blocked until 19:08 server time based on the message he sent (1171), but he started getting targeted for lynch at the beginning of the phase. Did he not log on before then maybe? If he did log on, why didn't he defend himself? 7. Anuorre asked if he could shoot Rock, does that mean Anuorre has an ability where he can shoot? Is it likely that 2 townies could have that ability since Thick already has claimed it? 8. I should really be studying for my Calc final but I'm addicted to this game :) :( I might have missed some stuff in my recap but I think it's pretty thorough (took me 45 minutes) I want to hear from KC, NPat, and Anuorre.

Nice break down Jacob. Couple things. Yes, as I posted the actual message Clubs sent me in my post #1171. Once I was told that I did not post for the full phase as instructed by Clubs. I wanted to defend myself but I had to watch helplessly as my good name was dragged around in the mud. Not sure what is so strange about my win clause. It's literally the same one I had before. I appreciate all the work you're putting into this Jacob. Do you play mafia on other online platforms? You've been a narrative machine here, always putting out a thorough recap of the phase and the conversations had by all. Well done. All that being said, I think it would be a good faith gesture to reveal your role pm. Others have done it. I'm not saying that you're suspect, but why not eliminate any doubt? I know Anuorre has expressed some suspicions of you. I'm not sure I put a lot of stock in what Anuorre says though, but it's still there. Right now I am not sure who to trust. The mafia are definitely veterans and maybe one really stand out newbie in my opinion. But with Elysium dead, Tennessee and Ryo dead and apparently now Anax? that leaves Mada, Blue, Thick and Mac, and to perhaps a lesser degree (timewise, not skill) KC, and NotPat as the veterans I know in mafia and people I think could pull it off for this long. However, Mada is town, of that I don't doubt. So that leaves Thick, Blue, Mac, NotPat and KC and/or one of the newer people. Anuorre, Jacob, Crywolf, that could be pulling this off as mafia. Like I said, there's one or two wily veterans and a talented newer person doing this. That's my thought. I don't have any proof, I don't have any investigative abilities. Reading through the forum, (not totally caught up yet) but one thing I've noticed is Anuorre's coming on strong with his little accusations seemingly out of nowhere. That's typically a mafia tell in my opinion. I've also seen the much written refrain of Thick or Mada being mafia. In that argument I have to side that Mada is town. Although, it's theoretically possible that he would be mafia and save a town for cover but I don't think so in this case. If we're picking between Mada and Thick then I say Thick could be mafia. Seems that he's been shown as town though, even though he tried to kill me, I can see him being the Town Dominator as he asserted. So what does that mean then? The first time I see someone saying that either Thick or Mada are mafia is KC on post 1044 where he says he "KNOWS" that one of them is mafia but leans toward Mada being so. I find that questionable. Mada is Town. I don't know if Thick is mafia either, I tend to think not. I think this could have just been an attempt to stir things up and cast doubt on two townies. However, I also see in post 1045 that Thick mentions my name along with others who he says have "not revealed their roles, win clauses or factions." That is simply not true. I was the first person to reveal my role, faction and win clause. The only thing I left out was abilities. And in my fully unedited account of my original role you can plainly see that I was telling the truth. Not sure what Thick was thinking there. I welcome any and all investigations. Bring it.

[quote=Rockbert]Nice break down Jacob. Couple things. Yes, as I posted the actual message Clubs sent me in my post #1171. Once I was told that I did not post for the full phase as instructed by Clubs. I wanted to defend myself but I had to watch helplessly as my good name was dragged around in the mud. Not sure what is so strange about my win clause. It's literally the same one I had before. I appreciate all the work you're putting into this Jacob. Do you play mafia on other online platforms? You've been a narrative machine here, always putting out a thorough recap of the phase and the conversations had by all. Well done. All that being said, I think it would be a good faith gesture to reveal your role pm. Others have done it. I'm not saying that you're suspect, but why not eliminate any doubt? I know Anuorre has expressed some suspicions of you. I'm not sure I put a lot of stock in what Anuorre says though, but it's still there. Right now I am not sure who to trust. The mafia are definitely veterans and maybe one really stand out newbie in my opinion. But with Elysium dead, Tennessee and Ryo dead and apparently now Anax? that leaves Mada, Blue, Thick and Mac, and to perhaps a lesser degree (timewise, not skill) KC, and NotPat as the veterans I know in mafia and people I think could pull it off for this long. However, Mada is town, of that I don't doubt. So that leaves Thick, Blue, Mac, NotPat and KC and/or one of the newer people. Anuorre, Jacob, Crywolf, that could be pulling this off as mafia. Like I said, there's one or two wily veterans and a talented newer person doing this. That's my thought. I don't have any proof, I don't have any investigative abilities. Reading through the forum, (not totally caught up yet) but one thing I've noticed is Anuorre's coming on strong with his little accusations seemingly out of nowhere. That's typically a mafia tell in my opinion. I've also seen the much written refrain of Thick or Mada being mafia. In that argument I have to side that Mada is town. Although, it's theoretically possible that he would be mafia and save a town for cover but I don't think so in this case. If we're picking between Mada and Thick then I say Thick could be mafia. Seems that he's been shown as town though, even though he tried to kill me, I can see him being the Town Dominator as he asserted. So what does that mean then? The first time I see someone saying that either Thick or Mada are mafia is KC on post 1044 where he says he "KNOWS" that one of them is mafia but leans toward Mada being so. I find that questionable. Mada is Town. I don't know if Thick is mafia either, I tend to think not. I think this could have just been an attempt to stir things up and cast doubt on two townies. However, I also see in post 1045 that Thick mentions my name along with others who he says have "not revealed their roles, win clauses or factions." That is simply not true. I was the first person to reveal my role, faction and win clause. The only thing I left out was abilities. And in my fully unedited account of my original role you can plainly see that I was telling the truth. Not sure what Thick was thinking there. I welcome any and all investigations. Bring it. [/quote] Posts 1050-1069

[quote=Rockbert]Nice break down Jacob. Couple things. Yes, as I posted the actual message Clubs sent me in my post #1171. Once I was told that I did not post for the full phase as instructed by Clubs. I wanted to defend myself but I had to watch helplessly as my good name was dragged around in the mud. Not sure what is so strange about my win clause. It's literally the same one I had before. I appreciate all the work you're putting into this Jacob. Do you play mafia on other online platforms? You've been a narrative machine here, always putting out a thorough recap of the phase and the conversations had by all. Well done. All that being said, I think it would be a good faith gesture to reveal your role pm. Others have done it. I'm not saying that you're suspect, but why not eliminate any doubt? I know Anuorre has expressed some suspicions of you. I'm not sure I put a lot of stock in what Anuorre says though, but it's still there. Right now I am not sure who to trust. The mafia are definitely veterans and maybe one really stand out newbie in my opinion. But with Elysium dead, Tennessee and Ryo dead and apparently now Anax? that leaves Mada, Blue, Thick and Mac, and to perhaps a lesser degree (timewise, not skill) KC, and NotPat as the veterans I know in mafia and people I think could pull it off for this long. However, Mada is town, of that I don't doubt. So that leaves Thick, Blue, Mac, NotPat and KC and/or one of the newer people. Anuorre, Jacob, Crywolf, that could be pulling this off as mafia. Like I said, there's one or two wily veterans and a talented newer person doing this. That's my thought. I don't have any proof, I don't have any investigative abilities. Reading through the forum, (not totally caught up yet) but one thing I've noticed is Anuorre's coming on strong with his little accusations seemingly out of nowhere. That's typically a mafia tell in my opinion. I've also seen the much written refrain of Thick or Mada being mafia. In that argument I have to side that Mada is town. Although, it's theoretically possible that he would be mafia and save a town for cover but I don't think so in this case. If we're picking between Mada and Thick then I say Thick could be mafia. Seems that he's been shown as town though, even though he tried to kill me, I can see him being the Town Dominator as he asserted. So what does that mean then? The first time I see someone saying that either Thick or Mada are mafia is KC on post 1044 where he says he "KNOWS" that one of them is mafia but leans toward Mada being so. I find that questionable. Mada is Town. I don't know if Thick is mafia either, I tend to think not. I think this could have just been an attempt to stir things up and cast doubt on two townies. However, I also see in post 1045 that Thick mentions my name along with others who he says have "not revealed their roles, win clauses or factions." That is simply not true. I was the first person to reveal my role, faction and win clause. The only thing I left out was abilities. And in my fully unedited account of my original role you can plainly see that I was telling the truth. Not sure what Thick was thinking there. I welcome any and all investigations. Bring it. [/quote] I have not played Mafia before save the last game on this site. I've played using playing cards and very basic rules in short in-person games and enjoyed that. The WC thing is just that your WC says: "You win" and mine and all the others I've seen say "Your faction wins". Just an observation, might be Clubs just messing with us, not saying you're mafia. I thought about the fact you might have been cut off from forum but figured NPat would have said something when we were accusing you of not defending yourself. I want to look into that further. I like Thick over Mada right now but both seem pretty well acquainted as townies. Still want to hear from NPat, KC, and Anuorre

[quote]2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 15:27 You are silenced until phase end. Your radio has been stolen or lost and WiFi is down. Madagascarter said: 05 Dec 2023, 15:30 :Thumbs up: 2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 15:39 It just got restored - radio was under you cot and the tech guy is getting pretty good at repairing tower. Madagascarter said: 05 Dec 2023, 15:39 Oh, thanks 2ofclubs said: 05 Dec 2023, 15:41 It was an ability not a mod correction. [/quote] Any insights into this that clubs just sent me?

Looks like NPat's ability, but somehow it got canceled? Maybe bad dice or whatever Clubs talked about in post 1... Wondering if NPat was going to tell us about this. Seems like he's targetting people to get them lynched easily, Rock yesterday and Mada today.

You're right, that does sound like a very mafia ability. Could stop someone voting or disrupting coms. Can we have a background check on Npat?

[quote=Madagascarter]You're right, that does sound like a very mafia ability. Could stop someone voting or disrupting coms. Can we have a background check on Npat?[/quote] I can check his ability tonight. Also have a couple of other names on the table so the mafia/neutrals don't know my exact plans to help mitigate blocking

I would prefer Mac or KC. Confirming NPat's abilities tell us nothing. Whereas both KC and Mac are unknown quantities

Agree with anourre

I feel like KC may be the third neutral

I M in a chat with KC, MaC. Noto, and myself. KC said he called it because there would be a mafia member in it if called. Black cards. It has been 10 hours and KC hasn't evealed which of us he claims to know is mafia. Meeting calling has been a Neutral ability this entire game.

Note on Rock saying:[quote]The first time I see someone saying that either Thick or Mada are mafia is KC on post 1044 where he says he "KNOWS" that one of them is mafia but leans toward Mada being so. [/quote] My notes have TLM saying this way back in post 740. Just something I noticed, not sure if it's useful but might point to KC/TLM connection?

[quote=ThickTalon]I M in a chat with KC, MaC. Noto, and myself. KC said he called it because there would be a mafia member in it if called. Black cards. It has been 10 hours and KC hasn't evealed which of us he claims to know is mafia. Meeting calling has been a Neutral ability this entire game.[/quote] KC is claiming that either you (Thick), Mac, or NPat are mafia? Agree on the meeting calling thing. Also wasn't KC asking about calling meetings earlier? Not so sure on that, but so far only Ryo and TLM have called meetings and both were neutral so I agree here.