Mafia D12 Style GAME THREAD

[quote=Rockbert]I am not saying this to defend Ryomyr, but it does seem that the fervor with which people are jumping on that bandwagon stands out to me a bit. Could be that mafia found an easy kill to take the heat off them? Possibly. Or that Ryo is actually mafia posing as neutral. I am not sure yet. In the past I have been all for taking out neutrals as they do generally pose a threat to town, however, in those games they were also a part of the win clause for town. So far, many have pointed out that killing neutrals is not a part of their (presumably Town) win clause, and that is also the case for me. I'd like to see some more information come to light before I throw my vote in. [/quote] This is my point there is NO Information coming through. Until provided with other good info, Ryo is not town, Ryonis my vote.

[quote=Ryomyr][quote=Jacob24][quote=Ryomyr]What am I the prime suspect of? I may or may not have used my ability to help town. [b][u]In fact, Town would be better served if I did not use my ability. I [/u][/b]will say this, I believe the mafia was actively trying to get me to waste my ability last night. Regardless, any plans the mafia had failed. 100% true fact: Anax and Crywolf's abilities were restricted last night. Both players are associated with a certain color of card. I know that color. Does this mean they are mafia? IDK Did I help town last night? YES Will I help town again on the next night phase? 100% YES [/quote] I don’t think you restricting 2 random people’s abilities counts as helping town[/quote] To be fair, I thought I was dead. It seemed unsportsmanlike to let the abilities that Clubs created go unused. It was completely random and I could not have predicted it would affect town. It is unfortunate, because at least one of those players is trustworthy. I can now enjoy one more day of use and value. [b]Jacob, there is a 60% chance you are mafia. [/b][/quote] Ok.. elaborate on who is "trustworthy"

[quote=Ryomyr][quote=Jacob24][quote=Ryomyr]What am I the prime suspect of? I may or may not have used my ability to help town. [b][u]In fact, Town would be better served if I did not use my ability. I [/u][/b]will say this, I believe the mafia was actively trying to get me to waste my ability last night. Regardless, any plans the mafia had failed. 100% true fact: Anax and Crywolf's abilities were restricted last night. Both players are associated with a certain color of card. I know that color. Does this mean they are mafia? IDK Did I help town last night? YES Will I help town again on the next night phase? 100% YES [/quote] I don’t think you restricting 2 random people’s abilities counts as helping town[/quote] To be fair, I thought I was dead. It seemed unsportsmanlike to let the abilities that Clubs created go unused. It was completely random and I could not have predicted it would affect town. It is unfortunate, because at least one of those players is trustworthy. I can now enjoy one more day of use and value. [b]Jacob, there is a 60% chance you are mafia. [/b][/quote] Whatever happened last night, nobody died and that is a good thing for town. What I'd like to know is why nobody died if you did not use your Fog ability and used some other abilities instead? Someone stopped the mafia kill if it was not you and that is important. Did you use your ability or not? Do you actually have that ability? Why are you so sure Jacob is mafia? What ability did you use to come up with 50% before and 60% now? And does anyone have another plausible target except for the player Ryo keeps trying to convince us is mafia? I ask this because I think there is good chance Ryo is not actually a neutral and is trying to hide behind a neutral claim. I would like to put some heat on someone else but I am not inclined to follow your lead on it without some more actually substantial information.

[quote=ThickTalon][quote=Rockbert]I am not saying this to defend Ryomyr, but it does seem that the fervor with which people are jumping on that bandwagon stands out to me a bit. Could be that mafia found an easy kill to take the heat off them? Possibly. Or that Ryo is actually mafia posing as neutral. I am not sure yet. In the past I have been all for taking out neutrals as they do generally pose a threat to town, however, in those games they were also a part of the win clause for town. So far, many have pointed out that killing neutrals is not a part of their (presumably Town) win clause, and that is also the case for me. I'd like to see some more information come to light before I throw my vote in. [/quote] This is my point there is NO Information coming through. Until provided with other good info, Ryo is not town, Ryonis my vote. [/quote] I agree with Thick. Unless there is more information coming through, Ryo is the best candidate right now.

I am not so sure Jacob is mafia. You shouldn't be putting pressure on me at this point. You should pick someone unknown to you to pressure. I am committing to use my FOG ability FOR the BENEFIT of TOWN tonight. I am a known quantity with a known win clause. If you are town, why not pressure someone you don't know about?

[quote=Ryomyr]I am not so sure Jacob is mafia. You shouldn't be putting pressure on me at this point. You should pick someone unknown to you to pressure. I am committing to use my FOG ability FOR the BENEFIT of TOWN tonight. I am a known quantity with a known win clause. If you are town, why not pressure someone you don't know about? [/quote] I don't know about anyone and your responses have not been very clear. Can/will you answer any of my queries? Because if not, why should I believe you actually have the Fog ability you say you do if you didn't actually use it and how is there no kill last night? Somebody stopped it and it wasn't you, according to you. More info please.

And no, you are not a known quantity. You are just claiming you are.

[quote=anuorre]I will come forth. I think Ryo is fishy. I can't back it up with any proof without revealing myself but there's something off about him. Here's my win clause [quote]WC: Your faction wins when all Mafia are killed - You MUST be alive.[/quote][/quote] Here is another nugget from over analyzing the forum. Post #194 anuorre quoted his WC. My win clause calls for mafia to be "eliminated". Other town what does yours say?

I think somebody either blocked the kill or saved the target. The target likely being me, Thick or Tenn but Tenn has been awfully quiet. Did Tenn get silenced? Because he has been online through the end of the phase and is still online now but has said nothing.

[quote=ThickTalon][quote=anuorre]I will come forth. I think Ryo is fishy. I can't back it up with any proof without revealing myself but there's something off about him. Here's my win clause [quote]WC: Your faction wins when all Mafia are killed - You MUST be alive.[/quote][/quote] Here is another nugget from over analyzing the forum. Post #194 anuorre quoted his WC. My win clause calls for mafia to be "eliminated". Other town what does yours say?[/quote] Good catch Thick! Here is mine: [quote]WC: Your faction wins when all Mafia are eliminated - You need not be alive.[/quote] Does everyone's say eliminate vs killed? I suspect that is the case, so Anuorre, what is with the difference in the wording of your win clause?

Not only that, but why "Must" you be alive? I have never seen that in any mafia game ever. Nobody to my knowledge has ever had to be alive if the rest of their team could bring the win. We need more from Anuorre.

[quote=elysium5][quote=Rockbert]I am not saying this to defend Ryomyr, but it does seem that the fervor with which people are jumping on that bandwagon stands out to me a bit. Could be that mafia found an easy kill to take the heat off them? Possibly. Or that Ryo is actually mafia posing as neutral. I am not sure yet. In the past I have been all for taking out neutrals as they do generally pose a threat to town, however, in those games they were also a part of the win clause for town. So far, many have pointed out that killing neutrals is not a part of their (presumably Town) win clause, and that is also the case for me. I'd like to see some more information come to light before I throw my vote in. [/quote] I'm not entirely jumping on this bandwagon myself...just yet. I have previously stated I have nothing regarding neutrals in my win clause but I would like to rule out Ryo as a mafia posing as a neutral if possible. I want more info before I commit to a lynch. I'll have some tortilla chips and some Pace Picante sauce, not that stuff made in New York City, while I wait for some info.[/quote] Nebraska has some mean salsas we keep it the Midwest a block out the coasts. LOL PS. I love seeing all the children getting along in the sand box.

[quote=elysium5]I think somebody either blocked the kill or saved the target. The target likely being me, Thick or Tenn but Tenn has been awfully quiet. Did Tenn get silenced? Because he has been online through the end of the phase and is still online now but has said nothing.[/quote] TLM is very quite. Still a Mafia ongoing?

several have asked for new information - i have some i was in a group chat w ely and others. in there he said [quote]elysium5 said: 27 Nov 2023, 21:48 I asked clubs about the cards and if we get more throughout the game. He said no. I asked if we are supposed to link up with others and maybe cash in cards together for something. He said no. Don't know if this helps or not but so far they seem to be merely a means of identification or needed for things like putting this chat group together.[/quote] i then asked clubs [quote]Tennesseelogman said: 28 Nov 2023, 03:21 is there a way to get more cards and if so - can they be cashed in for anything? note - when i was moderating - i always made it a point to give the same answer to all players that asked the same question.[/quote] and his answer [quote]2ofclubs said: 28 Nov 2023, 03:24 Yes. I can not answer that.[/quote] i think ely is lying. we all withhold part of the truth in this game (it is the goal to deceive your opponents). but on matters that don't matter - why lie? i have found that mafia generally want to lie about many things and spread false info and cause distrust. i do not have an inspection ability that gives 100% certainty but i did use an ability to check out ely and he came back 67% mafia and 33% town. those odds are good enough for me. i will stake my town life on this.

Post should have said.. "Still a Mafia chat ongoing?"