Romeo & Juliet Mafia - Game Thread

[spoiler]Tennesseelogman - Gold You are Mercutio, cousin of the late Prince Escalus, brother of [b][i][u]Valentine, [/u][/i][/b]and a member of the House of Escalus (mafia). Romeo Montague is your best friend. Noted for your loyalty and quick wit, you are extremely popular. Despite your family ties, you are not interested in House feuds, and therefore you are a neutral. You simply hope that Romeo and Valentine survive this conflict. You start with 3 coins. You earn 2 coins at the end of every afternoon phase. When running for election, your votecount starts at +1. During lynchings, your votecount starts at -1. If Romeo would be killed by a Sword, you will be killed instead. Win clause: Ensure that Romeo and [b][i][u]Valentine[/u][/i][/b] survive until endgame.[/spoiler] Virtuosity should get a writing award for this: Who the farts is Valentine???

[quote=rheisel][spoiler]Tennesseelogman - Gold You are Mercutio, cousin of the late Prince Escalus, brother of [b][i][u]Valentine, [/u][/i][/b]and a member of the House of Escalus (mafia). Romeo Montague is your best friend. Noted for your loyalty and quick wit, you are extremely popular. Despite your family ties, you are not interested in House feuds, and therefore you are a neutral. You simply hope that Romeo and Valentine survive this conflict. You start with 3 coins. You earn 2 coins at the end of every afternoon phase. When running for election, your votecount starts at +1. During lynchings, your votecount starts at -1. If Romeo would be killed by a Sword, you will be killed instead. Win clause: Ensure that Romeo and [b][i][u]Valentine[/u][/i][/b] survive until endgame.[/spoiler] Virtuosity should get a writing award for this: Who the farts is Valentine??? [/quote] Thanks for bringing this to our attention rheisel! @elysium5 - I suppose this proves that non-hostile neutrals exist. Next to that, I guess it means there is only 1 hostile neutral (I'm not hostile). V98 must've written "all hostile neutrals" in win clauses to not already give away it's only 1.

[quote=elysium5]I was going to wait but I want some info. [b]#Lynch AlexCheckMate[/b] This will be my vote, Alex, unless you can tell me who I should be choosing to lynch instead and why. Don't give me any wishy washy blahbideeblahblahblah either. Be clear and specific or die. [b]I do not have a win clause that includes winning with Neutrals[/b] and I have not seen anything in what Virt has said that indicates there are any non-hostile Neutrals. Are there really any non-hostile Neutrals? I am not sure there are in this game. Virt has made this one different, that's for sure.[/quote] Technically I dont have a win clause including fellow Capulets. My win clause just says outnumber Montagues, which I would do by myself if I am the only town left. That doesnt mean I am going to start gunning for Caps. Does your win clause say eliminate all neutrals or all hostile neutrals? Like I said, how do we know Alex is hostile? You know for a fact that Mada isn't part of your win clause.

[quote=Mdhaglund][quote=elysium5]I was going to wait but I want some info. [b]#Lynch AlexCheckMate[/b] This will be my vote, Alex, unless you can tell me who I should be choosing to lynch instead and why. Don't give me any wishy washy blahbideeblahblahblah either. Be clear and specific or die. [b]I do not have a win clause that includes winning with Neutrals[/b] and I have not seen anything in what Virt has said that indicates there are any non-hostile Neutrals. Are there really any non-hostile Neutrals? I am not sure there are in this game. Virt has made this one different, that's for sure.[/quote] Technically I dont have a win clause including fellow Capulets. My win clause just says outnumber Montagues, which I would do by myself if I am the only town left. That doesnt mean I am going to start gunning for Caps. [b]Does your win clause say eliminate all neutrals or all hostile neutrals?[/b] Like I said, how do we know Alex is hostile? You know for a fact that Mada isn't part of your win clause. [/quote] I already answered this question for you...https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3558/romeo-juliet-mafia-game-thread/post/66330#post-66330

I just had a talk with V98: [spoiler]AlexCheckMate said: 17 Feb 2021, 07:11 Lol @ town crier being a role AlexCheckMate said: 17 Feb 2021, 13:24 Don't tell me that all neutrals are considered hostile for those who aren't neutral... Virtuosity98 said: 17 Feb 2021, 13:37 Neutrals are considered hostile of their win clause cannot be achieved while the Town/mafia achieve theirs. AlexCheckMate said: 17 Feb 2021, 14:42 So all neutrals are neutral... but depending on what the other player has as win clause, they are considered hostile for them... AlexCheckMate said: 17 Feb 2021, 14:47 Reading all the disguises I've got... no neutral is actually considered hostile Eh!.? I do not see a single win clause for which some neutral needs to be eliminated... whaddup V98? Virtuosity98 said: 17 Feb 2021, 14:50 Without revealing what could or couldn't be in players' win clauses, yes[/spoiler] My conclusion: There is probably some player/role who has a win clause to eliminate all/certain specific neutrals. I therefore strongly encourage town to not just lynch a neutral... Hope this helps.

[b][size=18px]Lynchcount:[/size][/b] Madagascarter - Mdhaglund, AlexCheckMate AlexCheckMate - Hoodlum, elysium5, rheisel

[quote=elysium5][quote=Mdhaglund][quote=elysium5]I was going to wait but I want some info. [b]#Lynch AlexCheckMate[/b] This will be my vote, Alex, unless you can tell me who I should be choosing to lynch instead and why. Don't give me any wishy washy blahbideeblahblahblah either. Be clear and specific or die. [b]I do not have a win clause that includes winning with Neutrals[/b] and I have not seen anything in what Virt has said that indicates there are any non-hostile Neutrals. Are there really any non-hostile Neutrals? I am not sure there are in this game. Virt has made this one different, that's for sure.[/quote] Technically I dont have a win clause including fellow Capulets. My win clause just says outnumber Montagues, which I would do by myself if I am the only town left. That doesnt mean I am going to start gunning for Caps. [b]Does your win clause say eliminate all neutrals or all hostile neutrals?[/b] Like I said, how do we know Alex is hostile? You know for a fact that Mada isn't part of your win clause. [/quote] I already answered this question for you...https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3558/romeo-juliet-mafia-game-thread/post/66330#post-66330[/quote] Yes but I still dont know what evidence you have that Alex is hostile. He may or may not be part of your win clause. I feel that the evidence against Mada is more clear.

[quote=Mdhaglund][quote=elysium5][quote=Mdhaglund][quote=elysium5]I was going to wait but I want some info. [b]#Lynch AlexCheckMate[/b] This will be my vote, Alex, unless you can tell me who I should be choosing to lynch instead and why. Don't give me any wishy washy blahbideeblahblahblah either. Be clear and specific or die. [b]I do not have a win clause that includes winning with Neutrals[/b] and I have not seen anything in what Virt has said that indicates there are any non-hostile Neutrals. Are there really any non-hostile Neutrals? I am not sure there are in this game. Virt has made this one different, that's for sure.[/quote] Technically I dont have a win clause including fellow Capulets. My win clause just says outnumber Montagues, which I would do by myself if I am the only town left. That doesnt mean I am going to start gunning for Caps. [b]Does your win clause say eliminate all neutrals or all hostile neutrals?[/b] Like I said, how do we know Alex is hostile? You know for a fact that Mada isn't part of your win clause. [/quote] I already answered this question for you...https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3558/romeo-juliet-mafia-game-thread/post/66330#post-66330[/quote] Yes but I still dont know what evidence you have that Alex is hostile. He may or may not be part of your win clause. I feel that the evidence against Mada is more clear. [/quote] Again, as I've already said, hostile or not, he is neutral and has control of the shop. That is enough reason. Too dangerous to let him remain. Mada could be non hostile as well but doesn't own the shop so is less dangerous at the moment. I went after Mad first last time because as the Lord he would have inherited the shop. Now he isn't and won't. Get rid of the biggest danger first.

[quote=elysium5][quote=Mdhaglund][quote=elysium5][quote=Mdhaglund][quote=elysium5]I was going to wait but I want some info. [b]#Lynch AlexCheckMate[/b] This will be my vote, Alex, unless you can tell me who I should be choosing to lynch instead and why. Don't give me any wishy washy blahbideeblahblahblah either. Be clear and specific or die. [b]I do not have a win clause that includes winning with Neutrals[/b] and I have not seen anything in what Virt has said that indicates there are any non-hostile Neutrals. Are there really any non-hostile Neutrals? I am not sure there are in this game. Virt has made this one different, that's for sure.[/quote] Technically I dont have a win clause including fellow Capulets. My win clause just says outnumber Montagues, which I would do by myself if I am the only town left. That doesnt mean I am going to start gunning for Caps. [b]Does your win clause say eliminate all neutrals or all hostile neutrals?[/b] Like I said, how do we know Alex is hostile? You know for a fact that Mada isn't part of your win clause. [/quote] I already answered this question for you...https://dominating12.com/forums/5/off-topic/3558/romeo-juliet-mafia-game-thread/post/66330#post-66330[/quote] Yes but I still dont know what evidence you have that Alex is hostile. He may or may not be part of your win clause. I feel that the evidence against Mada is more clear. [/quote] Again, as I've already said, hostile or not, he is neutral and has control of the shop. That is enough reason. Too dangerous to let him remain. Mada could be non hostile as well but doesn't own the shop so is less dangerous at the moment. I went after Mad first last time because as the Lord he would have inherited the shop. Now he isn't and won't. Get rid of the biggest danger first.[/quote] Which is why I think we should go for Mada first. We know Alex is neutral, but not if he is hostile or non-hostile. With Mada, there is a chance he can be mafia or hostile neutral, potentially non-hostile neutral as well. But since their is a chance he can be mafia and Alex isnt mafia, then I see going for Mada first is potentially high reward.

[quote=Madagascarter]Ok, I was going to place a Watchman and check Mdhaglund’s finances to see if it added up to what he claimed[/quote] Is this post why you are so eager to get rid of Mada first> Something to do with your finances?

#Lynch AlexCheckmate Same reasons as yesterday

[quote=elysium5][quote=Madagascarter]Ok, I was going to place a Watchman and check Mdhaglund’s finances to see if it added up to what he claimed[/quote] Is this post why you are so eager to get rid of Mada first> Something to do with your finances?[/quote] Ive been eager to get rid of him since I attacked him the previous night. I know he is not part of Cap. With your info, I know he is not town. Plus getting rid of him will prove that I am Cap and no more suspicion of me being mafia, which is what he is using to cling onto his life. Why would he check my finances again? He keeps claiming I am rich, even tho I only started with 3 coins and havent been able to save since we have implemented a socialist regimin multiple times... Did you not think he was lying about what he was doing after he was caught in a lie about being outside? He also said he was done checking finances since its only real use was to find the shop keeper. He keeps putting more suspicion on me just so he has a narrative

I enjoy playing mafia with you Alex.. but hostile or not hostile, my policy is to lynch all the neutrals. [b]#Lynch AlexCheckMate[/b]

Thanks for the lobbying. Consensus via [u]actual vote[/u] and chat Alex = neutral, [i]hostile[/i] neutral or town Most believe this is a sure lynch as they did with Rem and were WRONG. " I believe he's town " Mada = [b] Mafia [/b]or neutral, [i]hostile[/i] neutral Alex = Hood+1, [u]Ely, Mada, Rheisel,[/u] Anax, Rock+1 = [b]8 tota[/b]l excluding illegals Mada = [u]MDH, Alex,[/u] Clubs, = [b]3 total[/b] excluding illegals It appears this lynch is more about jockeying house position vs eliminating mafia and neutrals. This tactic can be used/from [b]all[/b] factions. where as the later mafia approach by town and neutral only. So I say lynching mafia mada by 8 town and 2 neutrals would be safer. Hood+1, Ely, Rheisel, Anax, and Rock+1 who wants to flip to Mada?

[quote=AlexCheckMate]I just had a talk with V98: [spoiler]AlexCheckMate said: 17 Feb 2021, 07:11 Lol @ town crier being a role AlexCheckMate said: 17 Feb 2021, 13:24 Don't tell me that all neutrals are considered hostile for those who aren't neutral... Virtuosity98 said: 17 Feb 2021, 13:37 Neutrals are considered hostile of their win clause cannot be achieved while the Town/mafia achieve theirs. AlexCheckMate said: 17 Feb 2021, 14:42 So all neutrals are neutral... but depending on what the other player has as win clause, they are considered hostile for them... AlexCheckMate said: 17 Feb 2021, 14:47 Reading all the disguises I've got... no neutral is actually considered hostile Eh!.? I do not see a single win clause for which some neutral needs to be eliminated... whaddup V98? Virtuosity98 said: 17 Feb 2021, 14:50 Without revealing what could or couldn't be in players' win clauses, yes[/spoiler] My conclusion: There is probably some player/role who has a win clause to eliminate all/certain specific neutrals. I therefore strongly encourage town to not just lynch a neutral... Hope this helps. [/quote] [b]This post^ is being overlooked (on purpose?).[/b] Check the spoiler.