Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated

here is my thinking - anax has ended the night phase early twice and i think would only do that if all night action requests had been submitted. if r4w is truely inactive = then he could not be the other cop, or elite. he could be suvivalist since we think that he used his shot and would not have to give a night action request. - so that makes r4w a vanilla vax or the lone unvax hood - i don't think he is vanilla or the other cop. so for now[b] lynch hood[/b]

that makes someone active the other cop who has wanted to stay hidden - he (she) must not have found the other unvac yet or surely that info would be out by now. one of my fears is that we are investigating some of the same people and not getting our money's worth. i do not think hood is the unvax - i don't think he would have used his shot early in the game - so i am open to suggestions.

"That's very linear sheriff." Anyone know the movie?

ok -lets think outside the box - how about we do a no lynch today. - that would make the elite make the first move here and guarantee that we do not drop to 2/1/2 (which happens if we accidently lynch a vac and then elite kills another vac) - it would at least give us a 50/50 chance on the next lynch vote and now there is a better than 50% chance that we will lynch a vac. Unlynch hood - [b]no lynch[/b]

[quote=Tennesseelogman]ok -lets think outside the box - how about we do a no lynch today. - that would make the elite make the first move here and guarantee that we do not drop to 2/1/2 (which happens if we accidently lynch a vac and then elite kills another vac) - it would at least give us a 50/50 chance on the next lynch vote and now there is a better than 50% chance that we will lynch a vac. Unlynch hood - [b]no lynch[/b][/quote] Yikes ... my first reaction is no. Let me consider... some thoughts coming that I was working on before you posted.

[quote=Tennesseelogman]that makes someone active the other cop who has wanted to stay hidden - he (she) must not have found the other unvac yet or surely that info would be out by now. one of my fears is that we are investigating some of the same people and not getting our money's worth. i do not think hood is the unvax - i don't think he would have used his shot early in the game - so i am open to suggestions.[/quote] I agree with this assessment. I think Hood could be the survivalist who used his shot, if he believed the noobie mafia players were going to get him killed/lose the game. If the doctor succeeded just one time, you and the other cop may not be able to determine the last unvaccinated player. Overall, big picture, in terms of style of play ... Rockbert and Lando both played slightly differently than in past games. I was concerned about Rockbert joining 2ofClubs for a vote against orzhovboss a couple of days ago. To me, it appeared that Rockbert and 2ofClubs could have been coordinating. Since you didn't provide a report about Rockbert, I guess we can't know for sure. Even so, the doctor could have succeed in providing him a certificate. Same could be said for everyone at this point. Why did the survivalist kill Pygmy? The only thing that makes sense to me is that they believed they had a better chance to win without them in the game. Which of the remaining players would be so bold as to kill one of their own faction? Hood for sure. Tennessee for sure (that's a compliment, btw). Lando probably. Rockbert maybe (too honorable to kill noob because noob). Orzhovboss, I have no idea. And Rdy4war-the-inactive is the bane of townspeople everywhere. I am actually okay going with your first instinct. Let's go with [b]#LUNCH HOODLUM[/b]

Ready4war's recent activity: [quote][spoiler]Recent activity Yesterday, 15:37 Ready4war finished and lost Game 1264405 Yesterday, 15:26 Ready4war joined Game 1264405 Yesterday, 15:26 Ready4war finished and lost Game 1264403 Yesterday, 15:21 Ready4war joined Game 1264403 29 Jan 2022, 18:40 Ready4war finished and lost Game 1264090 29 Jan 2022, 17:40 Ready4war joined Game 1264090 29 Jan 2022, 17:40 Ready4war left Game 1263465 29 Jan 2022, 17:16 Ready4war joined Game 1263465 29 Jan 2022, 17:15 Ready4war finished and won Game 1264074 29 Jan 2022, 17:01 Ready4war joined Game 1264074 29 Jan 2022, 15:53 Ready4war finished and won Game 1264046 29 Jan 2022, 15:32 Ready4war joined Game 1264046 29 Jan 2022, 15:31 Ready4war finished and won Game 1264043 29 Jan 2022, 15:27 Ready4war joined Game 1264043[/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=Ryomyr]Ready4war's recent activity: [quote][spoiler]Recent activity Yesterday, 15:37 Ready4war finished and lost Game 1264405 Yesterday, 15:26 Ready4war joined Game 1264405 Yesterday, 15:26 Ready4war finished and lost Game 1264403 Yesterday, 15:21 Ready4war joined Game 1264403 29 Jan 2022, 18:40 Ready4war finished and lost Game 1264090 29 Jan 2022, 17:40 Ready4war joined Game 1264090 29 Jan 2022, 17:40 Ready4war left Game 1263465 29 Jan 2022, 17:16 Ready4war joined Game 1263465 29 Jan 2022, 17:15 Ready4war finished and won Game 1264074 29 Jan 2022, 17:01 Ready4war joined Game 1264074 29 Jan 2022, 15:53 Ready4war finished and won Game 1264046 29 Jan 2022, 15:32 Ready4war joined Game 1264046 29 Jan 2022, 15:31 Ready4war finished and won Game 1264043 29 Jan 2022, 15:27 Ready4war joined Game 1264043[/spoiler][/quote][/quote] So, he was on during the day phase yesterday, but said nothing. He was also on for a few hours during the night phase on Jan. 29th. Am I reading that correctly?

[quote=Ryomyr][quote=Tennesseelogman]that makes someone active the other cop who has wanted to stay hidden - he (she) must not have found the other unvac yet or surely that info would be out by now. one of my fears is that we are investigating some of the same people and not getting our money's worth. i do not think hood is the unvax - i don't think he would have used his shot early in the game - so i am open to suggestions.[/quote] I agree with this assessment. I think Hood could be the survivalist who used his shot, if he believed the noobie mafia players were going to get him killed/lose the game. If the doctor succeeded just one time, you and the other cop may not be able to determine the last unvaccinated player. Overall, big picture, in terms of style of play ... Rockbert and Lando both played slightly differently than in past games. I was concerned about Rockbert joining 2ofClubs for a vote against orzhovboss a couple of days ago. To me, it appeared that Rockbert and 2ofClubs could have been coordinating. Since you didn't provide a report about Rockbert, I guess we can't know for sure. Even so, the doctor could have succeed in providing him a certificate. Same could be said for everyone at this point. Why did the survivalist kill Pygmy? The only thing that makes sense to me is that they believed they had a better chance to win without them in the game. Which of the remaining players would be so bold as to kill one of their own faction? Hood for sure. Tennessee for sure (that's a compliment, btw). Lando probably. Rockbert maybe (too honorable to kill noob because noob). Orzhovboss, I have no idea. And Rdy4war-the-inactive is the bane of townspeople everywhere. I am actually okay going with your first instinct. Let's go with [b]#LUNCH HOODLUM[/b] [/quote] I will admit, I made the mistake of being swayed earlier by the word wall that Clubs put out. That's my bad. However, I did not vote to lynch anyone who was town. Look at the record. My votes have all been cast for unvaxxed players and one for Orz, who was saved by Clubs in favor of killing Blue. [spoiler]Message: Rockbert Role PM From: Anaxagore To: Rockbert Anaxagore said: 23 Jan 2022, 20:50 Your role is Vanilla. You are Vaccinated. You have a Vaccine Certificate. Win clause: Eliminate all Unvaccinated. [/spoiler] All this being said. I am starting to think that Hoodlum is the Survivalist. However, it could still be anyone of you really. I tend to think Tennessee is indeed the Vaccinated Cop. He is usually dead by now in the last several mafia games and that is because in the past he has been neutral or mafia and played in a way that got him killed. (minus that awful time I killed him when he was innocent) Anyway. I think Tennessee is the Cop. I don't know about you Ryomyr, I am thinking you may be the Administrator and therefore Elite. But, one thing is clear, we can't let the killer keep taking people out every night, so for that purpose, I am on board with [b]#Lynch Hoodlum[/b] for now. I am open to other ideas. I have zero proof of this, but my thought at the moment on R4W is that maybe he's the other Vaccinated Vanilla. He usually participates, hopefully everything is alright with him. Again, that's just a thought.

TN, I am also okay killing Ready4war.

[quote=Rockbert][quote=Ryomyr][quote=Tennesseelogman]that makes someone active the other cop who has wanted to stay hidden - he (she) must not have found the other unvac yet or surely that info would be out by now. one of my fears is that we are investigating some of the same people and not getting our money's worth. i do not think hood is the unvax - i don't think he would have used his shot early in the game - so i am open to suggestions.[/quote] I agree with this assessment. I think Hood could be the survivalist who used his shot, if he believed the noobie mafia players were going to get him killed/lose the game. If the doctor succeeded just one time, you and the other cop may not be able to determine the last unvaccinated player. Overall, big picture, in terms of style of play ... Rockbert and Lando both played slightly differently than in past games. I was concerned about Rockbert joining 2ofClubs for a vote against orzhovboss a couple of days ago. To me, it appeared that Rockbert and 2ofClubs could have been coordinating. Since you didn't provide a report about Rockbert, I guess we can't know for sure. Even so, the doctor could have succeed in providing him a certificate. Same could be said for everyone at this point. Why did the survivalist kill Pygmy? The only thing that makes sense to me is that they believed they had a better chance to win without them in the game. Which of the remaining players would be so bold as to kill one of their own faction? Hood for sure. Tennessee for sure (that's a compliment, btw). Lando probably. Rockbert maybe (too honorable to kill noob because noob). Orzhovboss, I have no idea. And Rdy4war-the-inactive is the bane of townspeople everywhere. I am actually okay going with your first instinct. Let's go with [b]#LUNCH HOODLUM[/b] [/quote] I will admit, I made the mistake of being swayed earlier by the word wall that Clubs put out. That's my bad. However, I did not vote to lynch anyone who was town. Look at the record. My votes have all been cast for unvaxxed players and one for Orz, who was saved by Clubs in favor of killing Blue. [spoiler]Message: Rockbert Role PM From: Anaxagore To: Rockbert Anaxagore said: 23 Jan 2022, 20:50 Your role is Vanilla. You are Vaccinated. You have a Vaccine Certificate. Win clause: Eliminate all Unvaccinated. [/spoiler] All this being said. I am starting to think that Hoodlum is the Survivalist. However, it could still be anyone of you really. I tend to think Tennessee is indeed the Vaccinated Cop. He is usually dead by now in the last several mafia games and that is because in the past he has been neutral or mafia and played in a way that got him killed. (minus that awful time I killed him when he was innocent) Anyway. I think Tennessee is the Cop.[b] I don't know about you Ryomyr, I am thinking you may be the Administrator and therefore Elite.[/b] But, one thing is clear, we can't let the killer keep taking people out every night, so for that purpose, I am on board with [b]#Lynch Hoodlum[/b] for now. I am open to other ideas. I have zero proof of this, but my thought at the moment on R4W is that maybe he's the other Vaccinated Vanilla. He usually participates, hopefully everything is alright with him. Again, that's just a thought. [/quote] Whoa!! A real big accusation there, buddy! Why would you say such a thing??

Need to check back in a couple of hours.

[quote=Ryomyr]TN, I am also okay killing Ready4war. [/quote] I think that is a mistake and would only serve the elite. Again, I have no proof of this, but if he was Vaccinated Vanilla, I wonder if Ready was just tuning this out because he thought he had nothing to offer? I don't know him, I am just spitballing here. If he were the other cop, wouldn't he have said something by now? He's usually more active in the mafia games than this. I don't know. I think it would be dangerous killing him. I say we stay on track with Hood unless something revelatory happens to the contrary.

Ryomyr, I said it was a thought, I am not accusing, and you'll notice I was voting the same as you and Tennessee. Only because we need to get the survivalist off the board.

In class right now so I won't be able to respond reliably but I think we should lynch ready4war due to his inactivity. If he comes on and provides something I'm fine with an unlynch. [b]#Lynch ready4war[/b]