Prisoners

[quote]9. Bluegoetz probably not good M based on actions ref #12 lynch vote[/quote] what is #12 lynch vote?

I have to go to a birthday dinner and can't be on much longer/work in the morning, etc.... so, I am going to put my life on the line now. I don't have the mental bandwidth to predict how this will affect the game overall, but I hope the gambit pays off. My apologies to townies if this doesn't lock in the win. Here's what I learned last night by placing a camera outside of Anax's cell: [quote]Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:07 Mdhaglund entered the cell Anaxagore left the cell Anaxagore reentered the cell Rockbert entered the cell Rockbert left the cell Mdhaglund left the cell[/quote]

And to show that I am not in the forgery business, here's a bit more from my PM with Mada: [spoiler]rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 02:35 [quote]I know 100% SHJENKE IS good prisoner. I can't say how, I am already a target. Read V98 role there is more there. He can use his ability to protect himself and as a mafia that is dangerous. He wasn't protecting SHJenk he was protecting himself. See my posts on ?ing how he knows mafia or neut has the room assignment ability. (2ofClubs)[/quote] Clubs visits Virt98 cell, but find SHJENKE as Virt switched his prisoner self with a guard self. So, SHJENKE comes up as town; even though he is a guard, he is a good guard and for the prisoners. (Per the game intro, "Most guards disagree with the government order and make a pact to protect the prisoners. All the guards who didn’t make the pact was kicked out and then they locked down the prison.";) 2ofClubs sees Virt98's switch of cells as evidence of self-protection (which it was), except he is just a prisoner trying to protect himself. (My guess at this point would be that Virt98 also switched Vicious with another prisoner/guard as he and Vicious had an extended dialogue and maybe some trust built up.) Clubs mistakes(?) the switch of cells as obvious mafia behavior(?), and rallies in the forum at the end of Day1 voting phase to kill Virt. What does Clubs have to say for himself? Was this an innocent mistake? Or, is clubs Mafia ... went to Virt's cell to kill Virtuosity, and found his target was no longer there? rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 02:36 OH SHOOOOOOT .... That was an accident!!! These are my notes to myself!!! Delete, delete!! Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 08:34 This is a good place to write notes to self. I like reading them rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 14:24 lol ... i don't want to miss more clues like i did earlier rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 14:29 During the night chose 2 prisoners/ guards and have them switch cells. If these prisoners/ guards are targeted then the other prisoner/ guard will be effected. I misread this earlier. Virt could only swap 1 pair of prisoners/guards, correct? He could swap prisoners for prisoners or guards for guards and whatnot, but only one such swap. Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 15:17 Sry? Confused. Choose 2 players and have them swap cells. That is what his ability does rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 17:08 thx Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 18:39 Your actions have been noted Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:07 Mdhaglund entered the cell Anaxagore left the cell Anaxagore reentered the cell Rockbert entered the cell Rockbert left the cell Mdhaglund left the cell Madagascarter said: 12 Aug 2021, 12:26 Janitors 14 messages Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:12 No messages in forums please. Just here & PM thx elysium5 said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:52 No kill! Kyla said: 11 Aug 2021, 20:43 Hey guys so I'm feeling a bit nervous since everyone here lynched V98, there must be at least 1 mafia here.. At least no one died. Were you all just bang wagoning with killing V98? elysium5 said: 11 Aug 2021, 21:03 I was definitely a bandwagoner, I'm afraid. I pretty much just went along with Anax early because I wasn't going to make it back in time to vote at all. 2ofclubs said: 11 Aug 2021, 21:47 I wasn't band wagoning. but regret losing him. Pretty sure he would have been killed in the night if he wasn't mafia and there was a chance they could get his ability. The only thing I saw was that his PM had the right format for prisoner but he could of got that from someone in his group. 2ofclubs said: 11 Aug 2021, 22:06 So i would like to have some communication (PM) with Ely and Mdhag. Heck I moved from 7 bed 4 car to 3 bed 2 car while fixing a truck and was able to be active. By now you probably have speculated on how I know SHJENKE is good prisoner. Its just not time to reveal.[/spoiler]

And to show that I likely did catch Mr. Rockbert in a lie (unless you can move around in a zombie-fugue state without knowing it) [spoiler]rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 23:37 rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 22:15 Hey Bub! I have heard a rumor that you were out of your cell last night. What say you? Does the rumor have merit? Your Gardening Mate, Prisoner #(insert number cuz i forgot) Apologies for not following protocol. Rockbert said: 11 Aug 2021, 23:57 Hey there, good to hear from you. No, I was not out of my cell. Who said I was? rheisel said: 12 Aug 2021, 00:07 LMAO!!! That, Mr. Rockbert, is what we Jack Ryan fans refer to as a "Crazy Ivan." Do you think I should try it on our other group members? Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 00:12 haha! What's a "Crazy Ivan?" I have not seen the Jack Ryan show. Is that the one with John Krasinski? I say try it, but you know Anax will probably go on a tear after that haha. it would be interesting to try on the group forum too actually. rheisel said: 12 Aug 2021, 00:17 A "Crazy Ivan" is from The Hunt for Red October with Alec Baldwin and Sean Connery. Spoiler (click to show) Spoiler (click to show) rheisel said: 12 Aug 2021, 00:23 I probably shouldn't do that. It will piss people off and I will just be hurting town/prisoner chances if I get myself killed for no good reason. It would be fun though. Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 00:25 haha! wow. That's hilarious! I haven't seen that movie in years. well done! rheisel said: 12 Aug 2021, 00:43 Btw, I call BS on Anax for what he put in the forum chat. He's too smart to pretend he forgot the rules temporarily. That was most definitely a strategic play into the forum. I wonder if he is Mafia? In the forum he mentions a player being saved, and in our group chat he actually names 2ofClubs and the method of the kill perpetrated. He has an aggressive style, but I am wondering if he is trying to use his style as cover right now. Thoughts? Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 01:27 Hmm. That is interesting, you might be onto something there. Did he say a specific attack? I am on my phone and can't see quickly. You might try that crazy Ivan trick on him. Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 01:28 Also, you're probably right about the rule thing rheisel said: 12 Aug 2021, 03:02 What do you think about a pressure campaign against Anax tomorrow? We have good info with the forum gaff to try to pressure him. I greatly dislike how he tries to control entire games. Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 03:16 Have you talked to Bluegoetz about this too? I think it would be a good idea, but I also (to play devil's advocate) think his style can have some interesting effects. At the end of the day though, I say go for it. rheisel said: 12 Aug 2021, 03:22 Yes. He seemed about the same as you. Like, maybe it is a good idea, but maybe not. rheisel said: 12 Aug 2021, 03:24 Got to go. Goodnight! Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 17:03 Good morning, have you started your query with Anaxagore yet? Also, care to share your role? Has anyone shared theirs with you? or have you shared yours with anyone else? What do you think about Anax' stating that he's an "Influencer" that could go a few ways it seems to me. rheisel said: 12 Aug 2021, 18:06 I am too busy to plug into this until lunch time which is in an hour and ten minutes. :([/spoiler] The spoiler within this conversation were cut and pasted dialogue from the movie "The Hunt for Red October"

[quote=LandoCalriskian]Well, I'll share that I was[b] knocked out last night.[/b] I guess people thinking I'm the mafia explains why, alongside being grouped with [u]two people who[/u] seem to be [u]locks for prisoners.[/u] I'm not sure I can really convince anyone since I don't even know what the basis of me being accused is. Seems like people are set already lol.[/quote] Yes you are grouped with 2 living prisoners and 2 dead. That doesn't make you good or bad or a guard/prisoner/neutral/mafia. Being bad based on what I know wouldn't hold water. [b]BUT[/b] being knocked out could explain why nobody died the last night or you were healed. You're now at 76% bad with magical abacus (I don't have a cell w/ a calculator :P).

[quote=Bluegoetz][quote]9. Bluegoetz probably not good M based on actions ref #12 lynch vote[/quote] what is #12 lynch vote?[/quote] You voting to lynch SHJENKE on in activity even when I claimed he/she 100% good.

Gulp. I hope this info dump doesn't ruin the game or my mafia reputation. Many serious apologies if it ruins the game.

[quote]2ofclubs wrote: Posted: 19 seconds ago Post #306 Bluegoetz 9. Bluegoetz probably not good M based on actions ref #12 lynch vote what is #12 lynch vote? You voting to lynch SHJENKE on in activity even when I claimed he/she 100% good[/quote] why should I have trusted you? virt did not seem like a good option to me AND I WAS RIGHT. so I went with what i said earlier about getting rid of dead weight. SHJ and Mdhag hadn't said anything. then Mdhag jumped on and while i didn't like his answer I went with it anf picked SHJ

[quote=rheisel]I have to go to a birthday dinner and can't be on much longer/work in the morning, etc.... so, I am going to put my life on the line now. I don't have the mental bandwidth to predict how this will affect the game overall, but I hope the gambit pays off. My apologies to townies if this doesn't lock in the win. Here's what I learned last night by placing a camera outside of Anax's cell: [quote]Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:07 Mdhaglund entered the cell Anaxagore left the cell Anaxagore reentered the cell Rockbert entered the cell Rockbert left the cell Mdhaglund left the cell[/quote][/quote] Just spitballing, but I think maybe Anax came to my cell to knock me out. He was suspicious of me in the last voting phase. We got into a heavy exchange on pages 17 and 18 I think? I’m theorizing that he thinks I’m mafia and trusts the people that are saying vicious and shjenke are 100% prisoners, so he used his ability to keep me from killing any of them. I have no night action, but was not able to use my day action. Even if I could, I wasn’t planning on using it. Based on what was said in this forum, using it on them would be detrimental to the prisoners. Id love to hear from Anax when he gets online.

[quote=rheisel]And to show that I am not in the forgery business, here's a bit more from my PM with Mada: [spoiler]rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 02:35 [quote]I know 100% SHJENKE IS good prisoner. I can't say how, I am already a target. Read V98 role there is more there. He can use his ability to protect himself and as a mafia that is dangerous. He wasn't protecting SHJenk he was protecting himself. See my posts on ?ing how he knows mafia or neut has the room assignment ability. (2ofClubs)[/quote] Clubs visits Virt98 cell, but find SHJENKE as Virt switched his prisoner self with a guard self. So, SHJENKE comes up as town; even though he is a guard, he is a good guard and for the prisoners. (Per the game intro, "Most guards disagree with the government order and make a pact to protect the prisoners. All the guards who didn’t make the pact was kicked out and then they locked down the prison.";) 2ofClubs sees Virt98's switch of cells as evidence of self-protection (which it was), except he is just a prisoner trying to protect himself. (My guess at this point would be that Virt98 also switched Vicious with another prisoner/guard as he and Vicious had an extended dialogue and maybe some trust built up.) Clubs mistakes(?) the switch of cells as obvious mafia behavior(?), and rallies in the forum at the end of Day1 voting phase to kill Virt. What does Clubs have to say for himself? Was this an innocent mistake? Or, is clubs Mafia ... went to Virt's cell to kill Virtuosity, and found his target was no longer there? rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 02:36 OH SHOOOOOOT .... That was an accident!!! These are my notes to myself!!! Delete, delete!! Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 08:34 This is a good place to write notes to self. I like reading them rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 14:24 lol ... i don't want to miss more clues like i did earlier rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 14:29 During the night chose 2 prisoners/ guards and have them switch cells. If these prisoners/ guards are targeted then the other prisoner/ guard will be effected. I misread this earlier. Virt could only swap 1 pair of prisoners/guards, correct? He could swap prisoners for prisoners or guards for guards and whatnot, but only one such swap. Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 15:17 Sry? Confused. Choose 2 players and have them swap cells. That is what his ability does rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 17:08 thx Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 18:39 Your actions have been noted Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:07 Mdhaglund entered the cell Anaxagore left the cell Anaxagore reentered the cell Rockbert entered the cell Rockbert left the cell Mdhaglund left the cell Madagascarter said: 12 Aug 2021, 12:26 Janitors 14 messages Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:12 No messages in forums please. Just here & PM thx elysium5 said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:52 No kill! Kyla said: 11 Aug 2021, 20:43 Hey guys so I'm feeling a bit nervous since everyone here lynched V98, there must be at least 1 mafia here.. At least no one died. Were you all just bang wagoning with killing V98? elysium5 said: 11 Aug 2021, 21:03 I was definitely a bandwagoner, I'm afraid. I pretty much just went along with Anax early because I wasn't going to make it back in time to vote at all. 2ofclubs said: 11 Aug 2021, 21:47 I wasn't band wagoning. but regret losing him. Pretty sure he would have been killed in the night if he wasn't mafia and there was a chance they could get his ability. The only thing I saw was that his PM had the right format for prisoner but he could of got that from someone in his group. 2ofclubs said: 11 Aug 2021, 22:06 So i would like to have some communication (PM) with Ely and Mdhag. Heck I moved from 7 bed 4 car to 3 bed 2 car while fixing a truck and was able to be active. By now you probably have speculated on how I know SHJENKE is good prisoner. Its just not time to reveal.[/spoiler][/quote] Wow a lot of info. I did not make a mistake on SHJENKE or Viciuos. I did not attempt to kill and don't have kill ability. Virt was dead when Vicious info came in. I am not Mafia! [b]" rheisel said: 11 Aug 2021, 14:29 During the night chose 2 prisoners/ guards and have them switch cells. If these prisoners/ guards are targeted then the other prisoner/ guard will be effected." [/b] Wouldn't this mean I would kill them instead LOL again I am not mafia. Somewhere I was question if I have an ability, I just can't find it in this info dump. [b]Of course I do and a vote.[/b] I did make a mistake labeling as good PRISONER. I should of said good [u]on the side of prisoner[/u]. Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:02 Last night, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Vicious xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. X xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx a friend and[b] is on the side of The Prisoners [/b] I left Anax as probably to see if others would explain why they were hot for him. Did I miss any questions or are there more?.

[quote=Bluegoetz][quote]2ofclubs wrote: Posted: 19 seconds ago Post #306 Bluegoetz 9. Bluegoetz probably not good M based on actions ref #12 lynch vote what is #12 lynch vote? You voting to lynch SHJENKE on in activity even when I claimed he/she 100% good[/quote] why should I have trusted you? virt did not seem like a good option to me AND I WAS RIGHT. so I went with what i said earlier about getting rid of dead weight. SHJ and Mdhag hadn't said anything. then Mdhag jumped on and while i didn't like his answer I went with it anf picked SHJ[/quote] WHY NOT?

I'd like to hear from the people who were grouped with LandoCalriskian, do you think he's mafia? Sorry I have limited chat right now will be back later

[quote=LandoCalriskian][quote=rheisel]I have to go to a birthday dinner and can't be on much longer/work in the morning, etc.... so, I am going to put my life on the line now. I don't have the mental bandwidth to predict how this will affect the game overall, but I hope the gambit pays off. My apologies to townies if this doesn't lock in the win. Here's what I learned last night by placing a camera outside of Anax's cell: [quote]Madagascarter said: 11 Aug 2021, 19:07 Mdhaglund entered the cell Anaxagore left the cell Anaxagore reentered the cell Rockbert entered the cell Rockbert left the cell Mdhaglund left the cell[/quote][/quote] Just spitballing, but I think maybe Anax came to my cell to knock me out. He was suspicious of me in the last voting phase. We got into a heavy exchange on pages 17 and 18 I think? I’m theorizing that he thinks I’m mafia and trusts the people that are saying[b] vicious and shjenke are 100% prisoners[/b], so he used his ability to keep me from killing any of them. I have no night action, but was not able to use my day action. Even if I could, I wasn’t planning on using it. Based on what was said in this forum, using it on them would be detrimental to the prisoners. Id love to hear from Anax when he gets online.[/quote] [b]Sorry I will amend this to ON THE SIDE OF PRISONERS. [/b]

[b]#Lynch Mdhaglund[/b]

[quote=2ofclubs] [b]Sorry I will amend this to ON THE SIDE OF PRISONERS. [/b][/quote] Yes sorry, was typing too fast lol.