Dima
I am from europe, so i wanted to ask some americans, whats their view on the election, do you believe in fraud, or a civil war? whats ur opinion on the mainstream media?
My POV is this.. I have been a Republican nearly my whole life (nearing 40 now) however, I voted against Bush and against Trump both times
- Against Bush because I thought he was an idiot - I think this is still a fair assessment based on his grades. But he is smart in other ways. I just didn't like the guy and refused to vote for someone because they were the Son of another president that led us to War.
- Against Trump both times because I always thought he was a con-artist and never truly helped anyone but himself. I disliked all the family connections in the WH and in the end after 4 years, he was just an embarrassment.
In terms of fraud in the election. I do not think it occurred at any "large scale" other than your dummy here and there that tried to vote twice, or vote using their dead mom or dad as well. My reasoning for this is that it is nearly impossible to pull off a "voter fraud scheme". Depending on your way of implementing this kind of fraud, you would have to do the following:
1) make sure you are not doubling up the same registered people (the system will check for this)
2) make sure you are not putting in votes for dead people (the system checks for this)
3) make sure the votes are not more than the voting population (the system checks for this)
4) make sure any paper trails would not exist (many states require paper back-up, and when recounted like WI and GA, as examples, the votes still ended up nearly the same)
5) you would have to CONVINCE too many non-hardcore county representatives and local municipalities to be in on the grand scheme (nearly impossible considering we are talking about 100's of people in each county)
6) Any Citizen knows or should know that if they are caught fraudulently voting that more than likely, they will be serving jail time. Every case in my state has gone to jail that I know about for the past 20 years. You can count on 1 hand how many convictions that has totaled up to being. Also, the people who did this are dumb as dumb can be. (also always WHITE if that matters). I'm white too, there are a lot of dumb white folk.
On to the Media... I cut cable nearly 6 years ago, so I don't watch ANY news source. Sure I can go online but I take everything with a grain of salt. My biggest way of knowing if I trusted Trump was my own eyes and ears of how he acted, how he BS'd his way through his campaign speeches, and simply how he only seemed like a Con-man every step of the way.
There was a point when I listened to one of his speeches pre 2016 win that I thought, yeah that makes sense, but that lasted about 3 mins before he kept rambling on and clearly was lying about things again or embellishing them so beyond reasonable. An example of this is when he would say that the unemployment rate in America was 23%. The real unemployment rate was hovering around 6% at the time, but he thought he could raise this to count everyone that wasn't working whom was an adult and probably teens too. I don't really know how he made this number up, but I work in a job where we know the unemployment rate and the %'s of it all the time. But guess what, as soon as he took office, guess which rate he said was the unemployment rate... yep 6%. Suddenly he cut the rate by 17% just by stepping into the WH and not doing anything ... AND HIS SUPPORTERS ATE IT UP.
So, just one example, but most of us don't need the Media to tell us a story, you could just listen and watch for yourself.
You also asked about the racial tensions. Ok, so again, white guy here, and I have empathy and sympathy for Non-White that just want to feel equal and not have to feel like when they go out in public they have to be on their toes and looked at differently. All they wanted was for people to recognize that thier lives mattered too. That's it. Not a hard concept.
Yet, here we are with Blue lives and All lives, and whatever else lives. It's stupid. Like, ya no kidding that all those lives matter too (although no one is born blue), but just recognize the injustice they receive. How much longer their prison sentences are compared to crimes committed by white folks, or how often they are pulled over when their population in areas' is a tenth of white people, yet they are pulled over 3x as often. That doesn't make sense and WHITE people would feel the same way if they were always disturbed on a daily basis. Overall, I don't think this is a hard concept to get behind, these are AMERICANS that deserve to have every freedom and right that everyone else has. We can, at a minimum, recognize this issue, and try to work towards solving it or at least making it better step by step.
On the riots, yes I do not agree with them, but also am not stupid enough to think they were all started by Non-Whites. There are video evidence of plenty of white folks, dressed all up in camo, breaking windows and then leaving, with many of them tied back to white power groups or even the police themselves. It's disgusting all around. But it is also much safer and easier for police to handle the situation by NOT fighting back and taking the video's and arresting culprits after the fact. It seems to work out a little better in situations where the police AGREE with the injustice and join the protesters to help keep things civil. We saw plenty of examples of that happening where they are upset too and show that empathy. And frankly, if the police killed my kid, someone in my family or a friend, I would be pissed off too and want to break stuff to send a message back, UNLESS, they were treated exactly how any of us would be treated with an arrest and a pending court room appearance, because this is how the justice system is supposed to work. I had my two best friends killed due to a driver that did not obey the laws (50+ mph over the limit, drove across a DIVIDED two lane highway, going so fast his vehicle was AIRBORRNE and smashed my friends right in the windshield with the front of his car). If he would have been set free and never arrested for his crimes, I would have protested and demanded justice just like everyone else is demanding justice. A little different of a situation because this idiot was not a police officer, but close enough scenario that we allow the justice system to play out for any citizen as if we are all equal in it, even though, we know that is not true at all.
Anyway, hoped this helped answer the question. I'm just 1 American, thankfully there are many like me, but dreadfully, to me, there are many who just don't care about their neighbors or our rights for all citizens, like they should, IMO.
[quote=Dima]I am from europe, so i wanted to ask some americans, whats their view on the election, do you believe in fraud, or a civil war? whats ur opinion on the mainstream media? [/quote]
My POV is this.. I have been a Republican nearly my whole life (nearing 40 now) however, I voted against Bush and against Trump both times
- Against Bush because I thought he was an idiot - I think this is still a fair assessment based on his grades. But he is smart in other ways. I just didn't like the guy and refused to vote for someone because they were the Son of another president that led us to War.
- Against Trump both times because I always thought he was a con-artist and never truly helped anyone but himself. I disliked all the family connections in the WH and in the end after 4 years, he was just an embarrassment.
In terms of fraud in the election. I do not think it occurred at any "large scale" other than your dummy here and there that tried to vote twice, or vote using their dead mom or dad as well. My reasoning for this is that it is nearly impossible to pull off a "voter fraud scheme". Depending on your way of implementing this kind of fraud, you would have to do the following:
1) make sure you are not doubling up the same registered people (the system will check for this)
2) make sure you are not putting in votes for dead people (the system checks for this)
3) make sure the votes are not more than the voting population (the system checks for this)
4) make sure any paper trails would not exist (many states require paper back-up, and when recounted like WI and GA, as examples, the votes still ended up nearly the same)
5) you would have to CONVINCE too many non-hardcore county representatives and local municipalities to be in on the grand scheme (nearly impossible considering we are talking about 100's of people in each county)
6) Any Citizen knows or should know that if they are caught fraudulently voting that more than likely, they will be serving jail time. Every case in my state has gone to jail that I know about for the past 20 years. You can count on 1 hand how many convictions that has totaled up to being. Also, the people who did this are dumb as dumb can be. (also always WHITE if that matters). I'm white too, there are a lot of dumb white folk.
On to the Media... I cut cable nearly 6 years ago, so I don't watch ANY news source. Sure I can go online but I take everything with a grain of salt. My biggest way of knowing if I trusted Trump was my own eyes and ears of how he acted, how he BS'd his way through his campaign speeches, and simply how he only seemed like a Con-man every step of the way.
There was a point when I listened to one of his speeches pre 2016 win that I thought, yeah that makes sense, but that lasted about 3 mins before he kept rambling on and clearly was lying about things again or embellishing them so beyond reasonable. An example of this is when he would say that the unemployment rate in America was 23%. The real unemployment rate was hovering around 6% at the time, but he thought he could raise this to count everyone that wasn't working whom was an adult and probably teens too. I don't really know how he made this number up, but I work in a job where we know the unemployment rate and the %'s of it all the time. But guess what, as soon as he took office, guess which rate he said was the unemployment rate... yep 6%. Suddenly he cut the rate by 17% just by stepping into the WH and not doing anything ... AND HIS SUPPORTERS ATE IT UP.
So, just one example, but most of us don't need the Media to tell us a story, you could just listen and watch for yourself.
You also asked about the racial tensions. Ok, so again, white guy here, and I have empathy and sympathy for Non-White that just want to feel equal and not have to feel like when they go out in public they have to be on their toes and looked at differently. All they wanted was for people to recognize that thier lives mattered too. That's it. Not a hard concept.
Yet, here we are with Blue lives and All lives, and whatever else lives. It's stupid. Like, ya no kidding that all those lives matter too (although no one is born blue), but just recognize the injustice they receive. How much longer their prison sentences are compared to crimes committed by white folks, or how often they are pulled over when their population in areas' is a tenth of white people, yet they are pulled over 3x as often. That doesn't make sense and WHITE people would feel the same way if they were always disturbed on a daily basis. Overall, I don't think this is a hard concept to get behind, these are AMERICANS that deserve to have every freedom and right that everyone else has. We can, at a minimum, recognize this issue, and try to work towards solving it or at least making it better step by step.
On the riots, yes I do not agree with them, but also am not stupid enough to think they were all started by Non-Whites. There are video evidence of plenty of white folks, dressed all up in camo, breaking windows and then leaving, with many of them tied back to white power groups or even the police themselves. It's disgusting all around. But it is also much safer and easier for police to handle the situation by NOT fighting back and taking the video's and arresting culprits after the fact. It seems to work out a little better in situations where the police AGREE with the injustice and join the protesters to help keep things civil. We saw plenty of examples of that happening where they are upset too and show that empathy. And frankly, if the police killed my kid, someone in my family or a friend, I would be pissed off too and want to break stuff to send a message back, UNLESS, they were treated exactly how any of us would be treated with an arrest and a pending court room appearance, because this is how the justice system is supposed to work. I had my two best friends killed due to a driver that did not obey the laws (50+ mph over the limit, drove across a DIVIDED two lane highway, going so fast his vehicle was AIRBORRNE and smashed my friends right in the windshield with the front of his car). If he would have been set free and never arrested for his crimes, I would have protested and demanded justice just like everyone else is demanding justice. A little different of a situation because this idiot was not a police officer, but close enough scenario that we allow the justice system to play out for any citizen as if we are all equal in it, even though, we know that is not true at all.
Anyway, hoped this helped answer the question. I'm just 1 American, thankfully there are many like me, but dreadfully, to me, there are many who just don't care about their neighbors or our rights for all citizens, like they should, IMO.
