Prisoners

I have shared this with two people already. Thought the rest of the townies could judge for themselves. Also, Bluegoetz did post a reply to my question in the forum. I need to reread, or maybe he can repost. [quote]rheisel said: 15 Aug 2021, 18:57 Final breadcrumb ... just a line of thinking without too much substance .... I am sharing a question I just asked Bleugoetz, because I am suspicious of his conversation with Rockbert. The second thing that bothers me about this conversation is the fact that it started near the end of my conversation with Rockbert. It appears strangely timed and read a little labored. I might be reading into it too much. However, why in the heck would Blue offer his role to Rockbert? That just doesn't make sense. Here is what I just sent Blue: Okay...2 things bother me about this convo, and I will share one of them: why would you share your Vanilla Town role with Rockbert out of the thin air? I just can't think of a good reason why you would do that. [spoiler]Spoiler (click to hide) Spoiler (click to hide) Bluegoetz said: 12 Aug 2021, 03:16 rock you are usually a pretty level headed go with the flow player in these games, and so far you are not acting out of character. do you have any thoughts you'd like to share? trying to decide on trusting anax (he talks alot and its hard to decide if its helping or hurting). been pm rheisel a bit as well. thought i'd check in with you while we can. Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 04:03 Hey Blue, thanks :). I don't know what to make of Anax right now. I know he comes on strong with his way of talking to people but am not sure it's totally bad. At the same time, I feel he is extremely smart with these games and doesn't make mistakes often. What do you think about his gaff earlier in the forum about 2ofClubs? Also, do you recall his role in the last mafia game? Just curious about that. Not sure any of this is helpful, haha. Bluegoetz said: 12 Aug 2021, 11:59 By my memory anax has not been mafia the last couple games I’ve played (I know cause I was). Rheisel was asking me about the 2oc comments as well. I’m not sure this is right so don’t take as fact, but 2oc seems to imply he is the detective or has a similar ability (because he was vouching adamantly for SHJ when he seems to be inactive) so it does make sense that the mafia would target him and that he may have been saved. All that being said could be a set up of some kind as well. I really don’t know at this point. Gonna see what 2oc says in chat. Anax is a smart player and I’m not sure he’d make a mistake like that without a plan, but no one is perfect Bluegoetz said: 12 Aug 2021, 13:23 Just FYI. Still don’t know who to trust but you are one of the people I can chat with; so for what it’s worth I sent this to Anax last night and he still hasn’t responded. Bluegoetz said: 12 Aug 2021, 02:47 Anaxagore said: 11 Aug 2021, 23:08 i'll probably push Elysium, Kyla or Mdhaglund tomorrow out of curiosity why not lando? you called him out yesterday as possible mafia, but not on your list today? ely seemed to follow you off the bat and kyla stuck to her no vote (not saying they can't be mafia) but just wondering about your thought process Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 15:02 I understand, it's always hard in these games. I too wonder why he didn't include Lando on that list yesterday. Do you have any special abilities you would be willing to share? I do not. I feel like we are in the dark right now as to who is doing what, but I agree that Clubs seems to be in an investigator role of some kind. Bluegoetz said: 12 Aug 2021, 15:33 My role, super vanilla. I know you can’t completely trust it right now, but there it is Message: Prisoners Role PM From: Madagascarter To: Bluegoetz Madagascarter said: 04 Aug 2021, 20:41 Innocent Prisoner You are a prisoner on the side of The Prisoners. You were accused of murder but you know you are innocent. You have no special powers, only your vote during the voting phase. The Prisoners win when all mafia and neutrals are eliminated Rockbert said: 12 Aug 2021, 17:00 Since you shared yours, I will share mine. My role is pretty plain too. Message: Prisoners Role PM From: Madagascarter To: Rockbert Madagascarter said: 04 Aug 2021, 20:37 Chop Shop You are a prisoner on the side of The Prisoners. You were part of an auto theft ring, you were one of the mechanics. During the arrest you assaulted a police officer and now you’re in prison. You have no special powers, only your vote during the voting phase. The Prisoners win when all mafia and neutrals are eliminated. Have you heard anything from Anax regarding the Lando question? Bluegoetz said: 12 Aug 2021, 17:09 Nothing yet[/spoiler][/quote]

Here is Blue's reply: [quote=Bluegoetz]rheisel I missed your last message, but the reason I shared that was he asked and at the time I sorta trusted him. so at the time I felt I had nothing to lose by telling him, and I wanted to see what he'd do with the information. which him asking ended up being more telling after your info dump. [/quote]

[quote=LandoCalriskian][quote=Kyla][quote=Anaxagore]i was the first to share my name, and i shared part of my pm with a few people. i don't need to share more now. mafia tried to kill me if you forgot. rheisel is also confirmed non mafia. I'm still not trusting him 100% as his hacker role could be neutral i'm thinking. But right now attention should go to people like Kyla, and Elysium. I think i've heard someone saying 2ofclubs found Schrenje was town? am i wrong on this one?[/quote] Bit weird youre trying to say Rheisel is neutral, I feel like you're planting a seed to try get them lynched another day[/quote] Rheisel isn’t mafia but the possibility that he’s neutral isn’t far fetched. Dude leaks everything people tell him even if I’m confidence. Like I said in my PMs with him (that he leaked), all of this info dumping can be a neutral play to try and keep eyes off of him. We know what his role is, so we’re not concerned about him. I think he’s a prisoner, but a callous one at that.[/quote] I want town to win, and I am making a direct play for the win. I've tried to share all info publicly that I believe will achieve the town win. Everyone should be able to discern that the only info I have not shared are a couple of roles that were shared with me. If, for some reason, sharing those roles with the groups increases the odds of town winning, I would likely share them as well. The direct play makes the most sense to me given the structure of communication in each phase, and given the higher probability that I will be killed during an upcoming phase.

Blue is not mafia. He would not make such a long fake chat with Rockbert I also like the Innocent name which is really in theme with the game. Lando's name vigilante on the others hand doesnt seem very good as it is a role we often use, but less with the prisoner theme

It's also fakable from a mafia perspective

[b][size=16px]#lynch Elysium[/size][/b]

I'm back online and I see I'm being put to the fire. I said I would have no problem revealing my role and as it seems I am about to be lynched, here it is: [quote]Madagascarter said: 04 Aug 2021, 20:26 Ticketmaster You are a Guard on the side of the Prisoners You are known to write many tickets or disciplinary reports but you are not happy with the government orders so you stayed to do your duty and protect the prisoners. You have no special abilities but even though you are known to be tough you are also known to be fair so because the prisoners respect you your vote during the voting phase counts as 2 The Prisoners win when all mafia and neutrals are eliminated.[/quote]

Kyla rote. This isn't correct [b]bold [/b]is my adjustment. Def prisioner: 3. Kyla 4. 2ofClubs [b]Prisoner[/b] 8. Rheisel 12. Vicious [b]Guard for the prisoners[/b] 14. SHJENKE [b]unknown for the prisoners[/b] I posted befor Kyla's 1. Elysium5 [s]2. Mdhaglund[/s] Guard OSOP on side of prisoner 3. Kyla 4. 2ofClubs Prisoner OSOP [s]5. TennesseLogman[/s] Prisoner OSOP 6. Anaxagore [s]7. Rockbert[/s] Mafia 8. Rheisel prisoner OSOP 9. Bluegoetz 10. Landocalriskan ??PrisonerOSOP?? [s]11. Abs23[/s] Neutral 12. Vicious Guard OSOP [s]13. KoE_Doja[/s] aligned with The Prisoners OSOP 14. SHJENKE OSOP [s]15. Virtuosity98[/s] prisoner OSOP Thats 5 prisoners, 2 guards OSOP, 2? OSOP, 1 neut, 1 mafia#3 , leaving 4/5 to fill 3 scum; Lando ???? Ely No name or role info Blue No name or role info Anax No name or role info Kyla No name or role info Now Blue and Rock both claim prisoner in chat posted by Rheisel - we know rock was lying. to many prisoner claims!!!!!! So I say unless Ely and Blue out and out lied to me like Rock did, the scum is Lando (faked gun info as day OSOP use, was knocked out by OSOP but nobody has claim to the knocking out to protect town), Kyla (haven't seen any post of who she is nor chats), that leaves Anax (more then 1 Gaff, was attacked, and probably the one knocking folks out), Blue (fake chat with mafia Rock to cover their role) or Ely (I just don't know). Yes my ability is kind of like a detective but very limited and unpredictable unlike an inspector or investigator. I've tried to play by facts but my gut says Anaxar, Ely, and Lando or Kyla as neut are the remaining scum.

[b]#Lynch Elysium[/b] For now - Just in case I miss future reveals God Bless You

Must have been some lag in posting. [b]#UNLYNCH ELYSIUM[/b]

[b]Lynch Kyla[/b]

Wat you've changed your mind?

Ely disclosed in a PM to me that he was a guard and his position of play. And when I said unless he out an out lied to me he was a guard. I still may be hoodwinked. I chose kyla c/o of the lack of disclosure in PM's even when I was overly open about me. If lando is true we can use him in the day to snuff a scum. If not the mafia will target him since he has a gun. Rheisel if neut isn't a big threat, I am the only one that questions Blues allegiance. Anax is just fun to play with LOL .

[quote=2ofclubs]Ely disclosed in a PM to me that he was a guard and his position of play. And when I said unless he out an out lied to me he was a guard. I still may be hoodwinked. I chose kyla c/o of the lack of disclosure in PM's even when I was overly open about me. If lando is true we can use him in the day to snuff a scum. If not the mafia will target him since he has a gun. Rheisel if neut isn't a big threat, I am the only one that questions Blues allegiance. Anax is just fun to play with LOL .[/quote] what do you mean elys "position of play"?? you're talking about our PMs the day after you lynched V98, I didn't trust anyone in our group lol. Everyone was suss to me, you shared info with trusting SHJENKE and Viciuos in the group, nothing really new to me, you didn't share your role and I didn't either. also a lot has happened since then with cameras and doc I'm cool with sharing my role in the group it just doesn't help town, to be honest I was just leaving it to rheisel if they want to share it lol ^^

I cant answer that directly in fairness to Ely. I didn't lynch V98 But I assume "you" is ment as the rest of our group. here is the PM where shared my name and allegiance with you. some where I shared a little about my ability but to much to sift through. 2ofclubs said: 09 Aug 2021, 15:58 A lot Q's. I will underline the main stuff. I don't know any players in real life. [b]I am a prisoner with a # not a name. [/b] Don't know my crime but I have repented. I have been trying the angle of to see if someone lies/gives me a name vs a # claiming prisoner. No luck. Room assigner is Mafia or neutral? abs said the rooms were assigned by a mafia or neutral and there is at least 1 neutral or Mafia in each room. ????? We know V98 has the ability to move players and I am pretty sure he wasn't in his cell last night (probably out killing TLM) . Anax probably prisoner. Ely is on my watch list as mafia. SHJENKE is 100% prisoner.