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Bluegoetz wrote:
Just for the record I don’t know that I see through anything for sure, but I was tired of people only talking about following the leader to the dark.

And people are defending themselves, which is where information is found.

You are awful quiet logman.
Abs wrote:
Right I am going to post one last time the whole story so far for all those needing to know where I stand

I started as a Gardener and Researcher, none of us Researchers knew who the others were, it was a lonely role. I was given a date of birth of 30.04 which is a Taurus and makes me an Earth Sign.

At the time, I had no idea why we had DOB but it became clear later

I was lynched and killed as I realised too late that Mada was a researcher and me Trying to protect him caused suspicion from JKL who claims he also researched me and found out about my status.

I died, woke up to a long long message from V98 saying I was now in The Dark, I was there with Orz, Chip and Mada and we were all told the new win clause was based around our Astral Element in the Dark. I was also told my new win clause is that if Earth signs get a majority, the Astral Seal will be closed and The Dark will not exist. I was also told anyone who is a Fire sign can end the game for the Dark.

I explained to the group of us in The Dark that I was the best one to be Exalted and chosen To go back as I had a Night Kill in Night 4 which I could use and no One else in The Dark at the time had a kill action

Once I was voted to go back, I got another message from v98 with all these new win clauses which is what triggered me asking loads of questions….

Abs
Some of my chats with V98....

1. When you say win clause is have 2 or more earth occupants in The Dark. does this mean the game is over both on Earth in The Light and also In The Dark?
2. Can we send PMs and have Open comms with the players in The Dark?
3. Are we still in the same faction in The dark as we were in Earth? Example, are Mada and myself still on the same team? Both researchers? Or will mada now perhaps have a star sign that isn’t Earth and we are now against each other?
4. When whispering to a player in the Light, I assume we should be trying to send messages to researchers to allow our old faction to win?
5. If we are Exalted, will we go back as our old character or as something else? Will the other light players know we are back?

V98 responses:

1. Earth as in Earth Element - the Zodiacs are grouped into four elements: Fire, Earth, Air, Water. So you need to make it so only Earth Zodiac signs occupy the Dark, and get rid of the Fire, Air and Water zodiac signs. Make sense? Beware though, if Fire take over The Dark the game will be over
2. No, same rules apply, I will create all PMs between players who are allowed to talk.
3. New faction groups are entirely independent of previous faction groups. It is random chance whether you are still on the same team or not.
4. Focus on achieving your own current win clause as your old win clause may no longer exist. But do whatever you'd like, it's up to you! Bear in mind that by #Whispering, you use up one of your actions so you will have less influence in the #Exalt/Abase voting.
5. You do not currently know the answer to this, but think of it from my perspective - would I create a mechanic whereby you can resurrect if it was just a guaranteed death in the same role?

After learning all this new info, I realised that V98 had made my purpose back on earth not linked to Researches but more around making sure Fire doesn’t take over The Dark. I also realised that as many of you say, many of the original win clauses likely still existed so that’s why I wanted to kill CIA as clearly if they kill all researchers, they win.

The reason I am choosing to lynch clubs is if you read the above it says that more Earth people in The Dark, the better. Clubs c,aims he is earth so in my eyes, this is Win no1.

The reason I used my Night 4 kill on clubs is I knew he was Earth and realised killing clubs was best chance I had to get more Earth people into The Dark (therefore helping my new win clause). However, the kill didn’t go through which was super surprising. I even messaged v98 checking it has been registered as I was so shocked..



Abs said:
31 Mar 2022, 23:39
Hmmm so Clubs was protected for some reason!? And i Lost another fellow researcher….

Just to confirm my kill shot went through but no luck?
Virtuosity98 said:
31 Mar 2022, 23:41
Yes, it went through but something must have intervened somehow.

So this made me think, why did that shot not go through, why is clubs protected when not under threat? Only rationale I have is that he is CIA and is Being protected by his fellow CIA

The only other info I have is that I received a whisper earlier in the game saying 2 of JKL, Ely, Hood are Fire which made me believe that meant CIA. But I’m not sure now if that links as not every Fire person can be CIA especially if Ten claims fire and we Know he is Town Doctor.

This is basically where I am today and all I know, I hope this makes things clearer on my position

Do what you will but I am still kind of trying to protect researchers mainly as I worry if they all die, the game will end?? My main concern however is getting as many Earth signs into The Dark as possible as from the latest info I have from v98, this is the only way for The Dark to stop existing

Abs out

2ofclubs wrote:
Rockbert
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2ofclubs
Abs
ThickTalon
Abs
Lol Blue, you have to read all the pages!

My new win clause is to ensure that the Fire element don’t take over and rule The Dark as if they do, the whole game is over. This is why I am lynching Clubs as whilst I’m not 100% he is CIA although I think he is after he was randomly protected last night, the main reason is he is an Earth sign and i know (like Ten also agrees) that there isn’t enough balance in The Dark at the moment.

If the Astral Seal can be closed (which is achieved by Earth Sign players getting a majority in The Dark) then finally the Dark will be closed for good. All players in The Dark will be dead for good and then We can focus on what happens here on earth.

My only clause now is to ensure that Town are saved and Fire don’t rule The Dark

D: #EXAMINE [dead player name] (if #OPEN and alone



Abs, you have said if the researchers die the game is over and you have also said if Fire prevails the game is over. You cannot be trusted and have given all of us multiple reasons not to. Blue and myself seem to see through your a BS. This game seems to have a long way to go with the new Dark side, I just feel ot is better without you in it. 

I am sure you are a wonderful human, but you cannot be trusted.

Talon

What’s not the understand, the game is over in the Light (main game if all researchers die), and it Is over in The Dark (the other game) it Fire prevail

It’s not that complex, maybe play a few more mafia games and you might get it

There does not just have to be 1 win clause?
Virtuosity98 not complex since when! 
I have a tid bit from a V98 pm that leads me to there is more complexity then some most of you don't know and I will never wont share it fore sake looking like a town fool. LOL
Reminder Clubs is not CIA/Researcher and luvs his earthly coffee while working at the morgue. Its just been to crazy to go into work with the bodies piling up and scary in some cases with bodies get up and babbling!
g>[/b]

You do not work at the morgue.
Here format looks valid right. Rock you are lying. Why! Were you CIA sent by your clan to monitor chat at the cafe?
D: #EXAMINE (dead player name) {if #OPEN when alone...........................the rest of action also has a part that aslo would cause low return possibilities

What am I lying about? I don't see a clear statement, which makes sense coming from someone meant to confuse things. You are the ******** ************, which yes, could be aligned with working at the morgue, that I will give you, but not sure if it is CIA or town, my feeling is CIA, but again, could be wrong. I have not lied at all in this game because as Town, I have nothing to hide. How about you?
YOU SAID in post 1467 "You do not work at the morgue." 
I correct myself bad choice of words Lie
  You are wrong, I do work at the morgue . Iwas concerned that the forensic investigator would be taken as a Researcher or CIA. Thats why I kept it quiet and continued to put out there how I am for the town in an established town business. I tried to connect with the town Doc given our connected occupations but TEN was killed.
I for got - do we know who killed Ten? I will ask you straight up did you kill Ten?
WRKD4IT
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Rockbert wrote:
2ofclubs
Rockbert
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2ofclubs
Abs
ThickTalon
Abs
Lol Blue, you have to read all the pages!

My new win clause is to ensure that the Fire element don’t take over and rule The Dark as if they do, the whole game is over. This is why I am lynching Clubs as whilst I’m not 100% he is CIA although I think he is after he was randomly protected last night, the main reason is he is an Earth sign and i know (like Ten also agrees) that there isn’t enough balance in The Dark at the moment.

If the Astral Seal can be closed (which is achieved by Earth Sign players getting a majority in The Dark) then finally the Dark will be closed for good. All players in The Dark will be dead for good and then We can focus on what happens here on earth.

My only clause now is to ensure that Town are saved and Fire don’t rule The Dark

D: #EXAMINE [dead player name] (if #OPEN and alone



Abs, you have said if the researchers die the game is over and you have also said if Fire prevails the game is over. You cannot be trusted and have given all of us multiple reasons not to. Blue and myself seem to see through your a BS. This game seems to have a long way to go with the new Dark side, I just feel ot is better without you in it. 

I am sure you are a wonderful human, but you cannot be trusted.

Talon

What’s not the understand, the game is over in the Light (main game if all researchers die), and it Is over in The Dark (the other game) it Fire prevail

It’s not that complex, maybe play a few more mafia games and you might get it

There does not just have to be 1 win clause?
Virtuosity98 not complex since when! 
I have a tid bit from a V98 pm that leads me to there is more complexity then some most of you don't know and I will never wont share it fore sake looking like a town fool. LOL
Reminder Clubs is not CIA/Researcher and luvs his earthly coffee while working at the morgue. Its just been to crazy to go into work with the bodies piling up and scary in some cases with bodies get up and babbling!
g>[/b]

You do not work at the morgue.
Here format looks valid right. Rock you are lying. Why! Were you CIA sent by your clan to monitor chat at the cafe?
D: #EXAMINE (dead player name) {if #OPEN when alone...........................the rest of action also has a part that aslo would cause low return possibilities

What am I lying about? I don't see a clear statement, which makes sense coming from someone meant to confuse things. You are the ******** ************, which yes, could be aligned with working at the morgue, that I will give you, but not sure if it is CIA or town, my feeling is CIA, but again, could be wrong. I have not lied at all in this game because as Town, I have nothing to hide. How about you?
YOU SAID in post 1467 "You do not work at the morgue." 
I correct myself bad choice of words Lie
  You are wrong, I do work at the morgue . Iwas concerned that the forensic investigator would be taken as a Researcher or CIA. Thats why I kept it quiet and continued to put out there how I am for the town in an established town business. I tried to connect with the town Doc given our connected occupations but TEN was killed.
I for got - do we know who killed Ten? I will ask you straight up did you kill Ten?


I conceded that you likely work at the morgue, as it would be in line with your occupation. Which could very well be CIA related. I am merely pointing out that you should be held with some skepticism. And I would rather kill a potential CIA than a known Researcher because that gives CIA the win.
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Tennesseelogman wrote:
Ryomyr wrote:  Posted: Today, 16:07 
Post #1437
 They are just trying to bog the new players down with loads of superfluous reading.
not they - i have made minimal posts so as not to bog things down - just saying what i know/think/experienced

Ryomyr wrote:  Posted: Today, 16:07 
Post #1437
 They both claim to know the CIA
i do not know them nor ever claimed to - i did repeat what hood said
Live long and prosper
ThickTalon wrote:
Abs

I am only trying to point out the facts. You have repeatedly said that your research title was gone until recently. Which is it are you earth God or researcher?

If you have said I apologize it was lost in the rhetoric

Talon
Tennesseelogman wrote:
boomoo82 wrote:  Posted: Today, 17:13 
Post #1466
Ask me anything and I will answer.
what is your DoB?

Rockbert wrote:  Posted: Today, 17:16 
Post #1467
You do not work at the morgue.

and
2ofclubs wrote:  Posted: 55 minutes ago 
Post #1470

THATS A FLAT OUT LIE
I DO WORK AT THE MORGUE

now here we have 2 players directly contradicting each other - this is where a lynch will reveal the truther vs the liar.
Live long and prosper
2ofclubs wrote:
" The only other info I have is that I received a whisper earlier in the game saying 2 of JKL, Ely, Hood are Fire which made me believe that meant CIA. But I’m not sure now if that links as not every Fire person can be CIA especially if Ten claims fire and we Know he is Town Doctor."

My DOB is the month of MAY ##  Clearly Tarsus Earth and I revealed that 1st before anyone revealed DOB's. I may be able to balance out the dark elements but lynching non CIA me will only hurt Town.

Ok I am not just trying to survive. But lynching me cuz I may be CIA (which I am NOT) would be a mistake!! We need a confirm CIA to kill. ABS started his flock gathering with JKL ELY and Hood, I was thrown in later c/o sign that has kreeped to possible CIA to CIA and back to possible.  For those whom played mafia with me before know I am upfront and don't use my 100% litely or to deceive. Its my set standard for validation (though there is a very slim chance this is the game where I flip). Enough- my fate is your ropes today.   
I am 100% NOT CIA/RESEARCHER and have abstained vote for now.
WRKD4IT
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ThickTalon wrote:
Tennesseelogman
boomoo82 wrote:  Posted: Today, 17:13 
Post #1466
Ask me anything and I will answer.
what is your DoB?

Rockbert wrote:  Posted: Today, 17:16 
Post #1467
You do not work at the morgue.

and
2ofclubs wrote:  Posted: 55 minutes ago 
Post #1470

THATS A FLAT OUT LIE
I DO WORK AT THE MORGUE

now here we have 2 players directly contradicting each other - this is where a lynch will reveal the truther vs the liar.


BUT THIS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING YOU ALL HAVE SAID ABOUT THE DARK WORLD.

Both Ghosts have said that they need elements, what do you care if they lie. You just need their DOB. Which brings the question who really tells the truth on their DOB. It might be in the 100 pages but did those in the other world at some point confirm thir DOB?

  Couldn't Abs and Tenn just be saying these things to protect their dark flock?
ThickTalon wrote:
And again it seems only earth and Fire are represented.  Where are the air benders and Water benders
2ofclubs wrote:
Tennesseelogman
boomoo82 wrote:  Posted: Today, 17:13 
Post #1466
Ask me anything and I will answer.
what is your DoB?

Rockbert wrote:  Posted: Today, 17:16 
Post #1467
You do not work at the morgue.

and
2ofclubs wrote:  Posted: 55 minutes ago 


Again I am asking you TEN DID YOU DECIPHER my reply to your post card? I that lays the truth before all this ABS ROCK ... claims.
Post #1470

THATS A FLAT OUT LIE
I DO WORK AT THE MORGUE

now here we have 2 players directly contradicting each other - this is where a lynch will reveal the truther vs the liar.

Again I am asking you TEN DID YOU DECIPHER my reply to your post card? I that lays the truth before all this ABS ROCK ... claims.

Imagine xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx realistic?
And xxxxxxx suspect other xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
WRKD4IT
2ofclubs is online.
Abs wrote:
ThickTalon
Abs

I am only trying to point out the facts. You have repeatedly said that your research title was gone until recently. Which is it are you earth God or researcher?

If you have said I apologize it was lost in the rhetoric

Talon

Read the above again especially the questions from v98, he alluded that I wasn’t any longer affiliated with Researchers when I asked but I am still concerned about protecting them as if they all die CIA win but I think my win Clause now is different and based Around Earth elements prevailing over fire
Tennesseelogman wrote:
i had 2oc pegged as town way back from post 123 where he was asking questions town would ask. it is still likely he is town but more important to me he is earth and can help w balance in the dark.

unlynch tenn
#lynch 2oc
Live long and prosper