Triple 'Great Britain & Ireland' Mini
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Dima wrote:
Alright, this is the last one for today. this is the best looking version for now imo.

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The_Bishop wrote:
@Dima: Yeah it's nice, but I don't know if I would really change my graphic design with yours.
Second important fact: I'm not plenty satisfied with the gameplay design yet. I'm still thinking if there is a way to fix it properly.
I mean: the gameplay is at least 'interesting' I think, but the map size is so small and I feel it lacks in connectivity, the result is 1v1 games are too much decided by neutrals.
I would try to play some more games on it and perhaps re-think something. I want to be satisfied with the gameplay in first place, then any graphic arrangements that looks nice will be fine for me... Perhaps you can help me to find a better graphic for the title of "Boston - NYC map" rather than re-doing this one (I can send you an image without the title when I'll be back home, so you'll work on that if you want). This one might also be discarded, I don't know..
«God doesn't play dice with the World» ~ Albert Einstein
«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain
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The_Bishop wrote:
P.S. +2 for owning a whole section rather than +1 (as Dima suggested earlier) is probably a good idea, and an improvement in general.
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«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain
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Dima wrote:
The_Bishop
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..., but the map size is so small and I feel it lacks in connectivity, the result is 1v1 games are too much decided by neutrals.


..... then any graphic arrangements that looks nice will be fine for me... Perhaps you can help me to find a better graphic for the title of "Boston - NYC map" rather than re-doing this one (I can send you an image without the title when I'll be back home, so you'll work on that if you want). This one might also be discarded, I don't know..

hmmm, on game play & more interconnectivity:

i could add the d12 logo betwenn the three sections, connect it to B Northumbria, C N.Ireland and A Cornwall and turn it into a territory. The total territory amount will be 22.

and yes, send me the NY Boston map without the title graphic, i ll see what i can find.


PS: send me,also the kheeva map and tell me what chanhes shoukd be done tbere, maybe i can refurbish the map.
"vorple: the real strategy comes when you cant just win cuz you got lucky and got the big card stack"
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The_Bishop wrote:
Yes, I'll do that.

I was just thinking something similar to your idea for this map. A new version with 25 territories likely, using the triangle in the middle as a sort of bridge between the 3 sections. There are other things to say about territory names and borders and the frame, but it's getting too much for me now... Rest for one day please Dima! (joking) :D .. No seriously, I mean, give me a bit of time to figure things out, please.
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«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain
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Virtuosity98 wrote:
I have a lot of concerns about this map. Please take it just as my opinïon - perhaps others will agree with it or disagree with it. Just because a map can be made, it doesn't mean it should be made.

My main concerns:
- In the past, semi-fictional maps such as Saturn, Caribbean Dual, Hawaii Dual, and even Solar System have not proven to be popular at all. I see no reason why a triple British Isles map would be any different (and that is me speaking as an Englishman!)
- The graphical standard for maps on this site is very high, and in my opinion neither Bishop's nor Dima's versions meet that standard yet. I feel that Dima's version is the better version at the moment, though it too has a lot of pixelation and the colour scheme is unappealing (again, just my opinion!). A lot of work will be needed to make a map that will probably prove to be unpopular.

If despite these concerns you are determined to continue development, here is some further feedback:
- The map is very chokepoint-y, as Bishop has said previously. Not necessarily a bad thing though. Can make choosing capitals locations very difficult, but we have seen this with other small maps as well.
- The conflicting triple territory bonus and full region bonus might lead to stale gameplay, as Bishop has also pointed out.
- The idea of adding a 25th territory in the middle to facilitate connectivity is in my opinion a further unnecessary deviation from the true geography, and will not add to the appeal of the map.
- Lots of territory names would need altering:
---- S. Ireland to Republic of Ireland
---- Northumbria to Northern England
---- Mercia to Central & Southern England
---- Cornwall to West Country
- I would alter the N. Ireland border to reflect it's real international border. The Irish divide is very important politically and socially.
- I would suggest changing the bonuses as follows: +2 for holding a trio of like territories, +3 or even +4 for holding an entire region. The reason being, that on small maps people tend to like slightly higher region bonuses. Testing would be able to reevaluate whether or not these bonuses are too high.
- On Dima's version, the Cornish flag would need replacing with the English flag (St. George's cross), and the UK and ROI flags would need rotating correctly (right now the Irish flag seems more like the Indian one :))
- There are aspects of Bishop's version that I like more (less cluttered, more varied colours), but the slanted banners and text, as well as the bonus explanations just give the map a low-quality feel unfortunately. Sorry if this sounds harsh.

In conclusion, if I were in charge of the site I would say that the map should be discontinued, as I don't feel that it can contribute positively to the portfolio of maps that are currently on offer at D12. If the many other changes can be made to improve the quality, I'm still not sure the map will be successful despite the efforts needed.





The_Bishop wrote:
Thanks @Virtuosity98 for all your precious comments. Everything is fine, I appreciate your critics.

I kind of agree with most of the things said. My initial plan was a sort of reproduction of the original Noxon's--Aeronautic's map of GB and Ireland, that's why I respected the same (wrong) geography and I copied exactly Aeronautic's title from the original map, but if the idea is to make this one its own style, then yes, I agree to use the actual borders or boundaries and, together with it, also to use more appropriate territory names.

We kind of agree each other also about some gameplay flaws. However I'm not saying it's a total failure: instead I have played pretty interesting games and I enjoyed this special gameplay which is basically based on 'all disconnected small regions'. I was excited by my very first test games on this map, but later I also recognized the flaws in the design and in general I noticed it wasn't much appealing for the D12 community. Some fix or improvements could be done, but as it is now I admit the map is 'insufficient'.

Even if it could have had some potential, I believe that at the moment we have got some more interesting projects to work on. So basically I also agree to discontinue this map, or better to inactivate it (because it's just a sort of unfinished map which haven't passed the beta test).
«God doesn't play dice with the World» ~ Albert Einstein
«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain
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The_Bishop wrote:
This ABC map has been inactivated.

P.S. I would discontinue the Saturn map too, I don't see anything positive about that.
I love a lot the Solar System map, it plays well and it is an art work, I would keep it active, even if it is 'not so popular'.
«God doesn't play dice with the World» ~ Albert Einstein
«War is God’s way of teaching us geography» ~ Mark Twain
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