Map of the N. Hemisphere with Arctic - 79 territories!
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Madagascarter wrote:
Yes I definitely agree with reducing the Artic down to three. Plus there are other areas with 5/6 territories bordering. Europe is one of these. It's not just China. With Europe I don't think S.E should be connected to Libya
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PsymonStark wrote:
Yes, I agree too, I already told V98 about that via PM.
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Virtuosity98 wrote:
I am wary of reducing the arctic to 3, as it would make it possibly the most unattractive region on the map. Despite it only having 4 borders and 1 extra territory, it can be attacked by 10 other territories. If it was only worth 3 there would be barely any appeal in holding the region, as it would always be under attack from multiple fronts.

Of course if many more people express their preference that the arctic be reduced to +3 then I will submit, but I do hope that you can see my point of view.
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naathim wrote:
Since this is kind of a special map, being oriented differently that we would expect, perhaps you can come up with some kind of bonus or something for holding the arctic region.

Or you could just eliminate the connection line between Iceland and Greenland, making it a three border territory with a two or three bonus.

Maybe eliminate the connection line between S.E. territory and Libya. Europe seems to have 6 borders for four bonus, which seems like a lot of borders?

Maybe add a connection line between Iran and Oman? IDK about that one. It just seems really bulky the way it is now. Maybe even add a connection line between Oman and India? I know that would screw with the borders, but it would make movement flow better across the map.

Move the connection line from Caribbean-Venezuela to Caribbean-Columbia? Otherwise SA has three territories and three borders, which seems kind of yucky.

Maybe combine Siberia and Tomsk? Tomsk isn't really adding anything, and makes that portion of the map look crowded. Plus it's Siberia, it should be huge territory :P

IDK about calling that territory Kalimantan. Borneo might be a better general name.

Gulf of Guinea should be Cameroon I think. It's shorter at least and there's so little room down there. And it's technically what country is there.

Please fix the region borders in Africa. You can keep regions and connectivity the same without them looking quite so terribly blobby. Most of West Africa just doesn't look good at all. Maybe go back to the drawing board completely with the region draw ups down there.
Virtuosity98 wrote:
@naathim:

About territory names, I've already had a lecture about them from Psymon - I haven't got round to posting the updated version yet.

"Please fix the region borders in Africa. You can keep regions and connectivity the same without them looking quite so terribly blobby. Most of West Africa just doesn't look good at all. Maybe go back to the drawing board completely with the region draw ups down there." I am thinking about making some gameplay changes, eg Redrawing the Arican Regions. When that's done, I'll upload a new map with the updated territory names.

"Maybe combine Siberia and Tomsk? Tomsk isn't really adding anything, and makes that portion of the map look crowded. Plus it's Siberia, it should be huge territory :P " I must say that I agree with you about Tomsk - however I may need it in the end to maintain 81 territories.

"Since this is kind of a special map, being oriented differently that we would expect, perhaps you can come up with some kind of bonus or something for holding the arctic region." Like what, exactly?? Isn't a region bonus enough? The only thing I can think of is making the North Pole a separate region altogether, worth +1, and making the rest of the Arctic worth +3, like everyone wants. Would this equate to a reward for holding the arctic? I would be reluctant to add this change, but if there was overwhelming support I would include it.

"Move the connection line from Caribbean-Venezuela to Caribbean-Columbia? Otherwise SA has three territories and three borders, which seems kind of yucky." Look at the World Expanded Map. There are three regions in there that have 3 territories and three borders.

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Virtuosity98 wrote:
@ Everyone!!

Everyone's saying that Europe and China are underpowered, with 5/6 territories borders in each. May I remind you all that in the World Expanded map, both China and Central Africa have 6/7 territories as borders - even worse! These also have a bonus of only +4. I do not think that my China and Europe regions are unobtainable.
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naathim wrote:
IDK, maybe make it so the North Pole can attack any territory bordering on the water? Or for every region you control plus the arctic you gain +1 reinforcement per turn (or maybe just he north pole?)? So let's say you have the arctic plus Mongolia and South America. That would give you their region bonuses, plus two additional troops/turn.

Or again, just eliminate that one connection between iceland/greenland and it solves most of your issues with that region.

And just because it's that way on another map,doesn't mean it has to be that way on yours. Plenty of the maps up have gameplay flaws that are just endemic to their design. Don't be afraid to change things because the other maps don't look that way.

Maybe you could just combine your iceland/scand/uk region with the Mainland europe one and have one big territory worth 6, with still 6 borders?

But it's a pretty darn good start. My advice is to come out with a second draft after thinking about everything people have said. That way people won't be addressing problems you've already fixed :P Good luck ^^
PsymonStark wrote:
The difference I spot is that in World Expanded there are no "easy" regions. Almost everything is a border there. You have in your map some "easy" regions, like Middle East, SE Asia, or Central+South America, giving 3 or 4 with 3 borders and 2 or 3 interior territories. I think that a player spawning mostly in China or Europe will be more disadvantaged than one spawning in Africa or China in World Expanded because other players can get a bonus sooner. Also adding Korea would be useful to remove Tomsk if wanted.

About Arctic bonus... Another proposal: Make Iceland part of the Arctic region, you will get no one complaining about a 4 then, and put UK+Scandinavia a 1 bonus.

A 1 territory 1 bonus wouldn't work as always someone would be getting it, and it would be unfair at the start of the game (and mostly from then on too).

PS. Sorry for my boring lectures on labels :P And I agree with Naat. I like very much how this map is going. Thanks all of you guys for your feedback. It's what makes the maps move forward.
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Fendi wrote:
Sorry but I'm personally confused and a bit annoyed with the layout of the continents/countries. Everything is so inaccurate considering the fact that these exist in real life. If you want to involve fantasy in it then I get it, but please change some names because right now I can't even look at it without feeling lost.

Sorry but I am really not a fan of this
Virtuosity98 wrote:
I've changed some territory names and added a light texture to the sea (which may need to be made more obvious).

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I intend to upload some options to do with gameplay (Artic, China and Europe regions) as well as a new Africa template in the near future.
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Virtuosity98 wrote:
If the picture didn't work, here's the link:

http://www.yogile.com/a19nqeus#41m
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Fendi wrote:
What is the size of the map? Because right now, it looks be too small, I can't see any difference.

But so far when it comes to the looks, I'm still not a fan. There's no texture, the map is too simple, the mountains do not fit at all (and to be honest, they look ugly) and the lines are too jagged.
Virtuosity98 wrote:
@Fendi,

For some reason the website that I use shrinks the images down. I am working at 1024 x 762. I have not yet added texture to the land because I may need to change the colours of certain regions, and that will be difficult once textures have been added. I agree with the mountains looking bad and tacky, but I have not got round to finding a better alternative (by the way the mountains were taken from the GB & Ireland Map). I also plan to go over the borders with a smoother, thicker outline once the territory boundaries have been defined.

Basically, many of the graphics issues are yet to be resolved due to the ongoing debate over gameplay.
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