The 4 card set

I've played risk style games before where any three are a set. Doesn't matter type or color, three cards is a set and you can turn in. There's already the 'advanced' turn in thingummy, I suppose there could be more options :P I know, I know I said the dreaded 'o' word :D

I haven't had time to read all of this thread and I haven't been keeping up with it but I had an alternative idea that would be quite simple. If I'm getting it correctly some players are getting frustrated because they are stuck with 4 cards and no set [i]too[/i] often. Instead of making a player turn in 4 cards or letting them turn in at the end of their turn why not just add more wild cards? That would certainly lower the probability of not having a set. Actually there was a glitch in the code that made it so that some of the maps only had one wild card. It's been fixed now and I wonder if it has already been changed enough to help with this problem.

More wild cards will also greatly improve the chance on a 3 card turn in. I sometimes really depend on the other person not having a 3 card turn in...

More wildcards are also a possibility, anyway, I prefer the Defensive 4 cards set; but I would be fine with your suggestion Vexer

Yeah, I'd rather not increase the chances of getting a 3 card set too. Lets wait a bit and see the effect of now having the proper number of wilds on each map.

I just don't like the idea of a 4 card set. Getting 2 red and 2 blue is a part of the game. Deal with it. This is part of the game. If the staff DOES decide to implement them, please make it an option requiring password just like advanced cards. Should NOT be the new standard please.

I have just ready the entire thread and know that Vexer is inclined to wait and see what the correct number of wild cards do for the game first, but I think Muzuane Askari's suggestion is very good. [spoiler=Muzuane Askari's suggestion and more...][quote=Muzuane Askari]This week I lost some games (and I am going to lose one more) because I had 4 cards and no set, and I thought a lot about this post. Is this suggestion in any "to do list"? I would like to implement in this way (just to have something concrete to talk about): When you are going to start your turn and you have 4 cards but no set a dialogue box will pop up asking: Do you want to make your defensive trade? Which means that after your attacks and tactical move you can change your cards (to avoid that this option could be used for offensive movements). If during your turn you have conquered a country, at the end of the turn you would get a new card but always after you would have changed the 4 you had when you started the turn. But you have to decide if you are going to change cards before your dice roll, it's a Defensive option. This option could be available in any NO FIXED cards and one time every 20 turns, which it is almost to say once in a game.[/quote] For those who are fine the way things are, they can choose [No Thanks] when offered it. This way it is there for defence & survival and offers no extras to suiciders and also offers the choice to those who don't need to turn them in. I would allow it every time it occurs though as I have had 2 no sets in many games, the first being from the start and not a problem as such.[/spoiler] I too have noticed a lot of 4 cards (no set) killing my game and also giving me an easy game when others suffer it.

Can I just add, I just finished another 2 games (2 for 2) {8 player & 6 player} where I got 4 useless cards at the critical point and lost both as a result. This happens far more frequently than most will admit. Not a wild card in sight in either.

I like MuzuaneAskari's suggestion: [img]http://s21.postimg.org/xf9ze0g4z/Spam_Free_APPROVED.png[/img]

lets not be putting 'password' blocks on any more, please there is wayyyyy too many password blocks on options as it is

Okay, as Vexer suggested "Lets wait a bit and see the effect of now having the proper number of wilds on each map". I have given it 3 months and monitored how many DM & Caps games I get 2+2. It is very close to 90% that I get the 2+2, but luckily I have had many in the first turn-in, I have had some in the 25+ turn-in values and been lucky to be too difficult to kill, but have lost about 10% of my games due to being a low capped card target! Not to mention that in 5% of games I have had 2 lots of 2+2. Just so that everyone is aware, I feel the black cards are doing their job correctly now, as I see them a lot more and there has been 2 occasions where my first 2 cards have been the only 2 Black cards on that map, I know that this has also happened to jonboy1967, as we were wowing about it once... it's something like 0.25% chance. But alas, in my opinion, the black cards do not eliminate the 2+2, nor even improve it.

I've also played some games where my opponent not being able to turn in at 4 cards was the only way to win. The first one would stalemate otherwise (but he got 5 cards, so I could win - albeit barely), the second one I lost.

I think it's just part of the game honestly. And if it wasn't there, then there would be 10 times the stalemates. Yeah it sucks when it happens to you, but if it never happened to anyone, all players being relatively good, every game would stalemate. It's luck just like drop and dice. If you take all luck out, it's a different game.

@cbt711, I guess you are right we need some luck to avoid the stalemates, but in Long Term games, after a couple of months with the same game it hurts ae lot if you lose because you had 4 cards and no set. Anyway, I also think that this option it's quite interesting for Live Cap Games; I have played some games where the Big Attack started with sets of 10, so I am already aware of not keeping cards if I don't have enough troops in my cap; this option not only would save me (in case I had 4 cards and no set) but also the game.

Yea this is a difficult thing to decide on. Usually I hate it when ppl (me or others) cant turn in with 4 cards. But stopping that would also have blocked some jewels, like that genius move from Cireon depending on Vexer not having a 4 card turn in (too bad he could turn in :P).